cause and effect

I`ve been following it fine, you made a lot of assumptions about the nature of causality, John pointed out (admittedly in an oblique and mildly abrasive fashion) that the usual rules don`t apply as you aproach a singularity and that in fact causality is a meaningless concept before the end of the Planck era...In reply to which you merely dogmatically reassert your original assumptions and proceed to cry foul (accusation of ad homs) which retards the dialouge to its present level...Personally I don`t understand why John is bothering with you and the only reason I have been following this thread is a morbid curiosity as too how long it will continue like this before (if ever) returning to the issue....Do us all a favour, turn the other cheek and get on with debating causality instead of squawking and crying foul when the discussion doesn`t proceed the way you expected it too....

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Originally posted by forgiven:
EDIT: let me give you a better answer... some thing, some existing thing (*any* existing thing) either began to exist or always existed...

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Ok given that time started with the BB I have no problem with the universe having always exsisted after all it was there during that first cosmic tick when t went from 0 to 10^-43 seconds....