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Calypso
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Message 26 of 42 (382068)
02-03-2007 1:23 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by cavediver
12-10-2006 7:07 AM


Re: Explanation please?
If the teacup was melt was there any way of knowing precisely it had been a teacup?
Theoretically yes, practically no. But if Hawking had been right, then it would have also have been "theoretically no", which has profound implications for physics.
There is no way for you to know you silly little 4 dimensional beast. But unlike you god can travel through time (among other dimensions) and can see the teacup before it was destroyed so no information was lost to god. 10 dimensional beings have their privileges.
Have you seen this? Imagining the Tenth Dimension - A Book by Rob Bryanton

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Calypso
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Message 28 of 42 (382140)
02-03-2007 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by cavediver
02-03-2007 4:33 AM


Re: Explanation please?
Sounds a bit close minded cavediver. I like to think that it's possible, but not proven, and probably not likely to be proven anytime soon by the human race. "Pure bollocks" would be more appropriate for something completely disproven or out of the realm of possibility. This at least makes mathematical sense. But then the latest video game is all mathematically based as well but has no basis in reality so who knows.

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Calypso
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Message 34 of 42 (384082)
02-10-2007 12:46 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by cavediver
02-04-2007 1:40 PM


Re: Explanation please?
Cavediver writes:
That's not reason enough just to make stuff up and try and pass it off as physics! Theoretical physics is not some wishy-washy science where anything goes. Otherwise I could make up some really fun stuff involving sploorions and ultra-sploorions that are seven and two/thirds dimensional. The multi-dimensional aspects of various theories are predicted by the precise mathematics of those theories.
I was not trying to pass off my beliefs as physics. Simply beliefs. Yes you may call it religion, but it's no more a religion than String Theory is at this point is it? I mean I can no more prove that >4 dimensions follow the guidelines on that site any more than you can prove that they follow String Theory or M-Theory.
Also just because you can make up a nonsensical theory of sploorions doesn't make my statements or theories non sensical.
Furthermore your assertion that String Theory is based on precise mathematics says absolutely nothing of it's validity any more than a drawing made in a CAD program. i can draw an impossible shape all based on precise mathematics but that certainly doesn't make it real now does it?
I submit that not only must that site be taken as faith but the theories such as M-Theory at the forefront of physics as well. For now at least

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Calypso
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Message 36 of 42 (384642)
02-12-2007 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by cavediver
02-11-2007 7:37 PM


Re: Explanation please?
Then why are you posting in the Science Forums?
For the same reason you and many others discuss theories or hypotheses that have yet to be proven.
No, that site is posing as physics, and is simply wrong. If it were to put a disclaimer at the front saying "the ideas presented here are not the concensus of scientists working in this field and are purely my own ideas" I would have no complaint.
Actually they do have such a disclaimer somewhere on their site, perhaps you missed it.
And why would I ever take M-Theory or String Theory on faith?
Because if you believe that they are more correct than the theories posted on that site or by me, you're either going to have to show some sort of evidence as to why you believe so, or admit your beliefs are faith based. If you have faith in the mathematics, say so but don't tell me that just because there are mathematical equations involved that it must be real. Did you understand what I meant with the CAD example? Mathematics does not prove a theory describes reality.

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Calypso
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Message 41 of 42 (385035)
02-13-2007 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by cavediver
02-12-2007 5:44 PM


Re: Explanation please?
I believe the onus is on you to provide some evidence
Again, I am not passing my ideas off as science or as fact, unlike yourself, who continues to call string theory science and implies that somehow it is any more factual than any other set of beliefs that aren't nonsensical. I question whether it is so, or merely a set of beliefs if it cannot be proven.
My question remains unanswered: Is string theory testable and therefore science, or is it untestable and therefore merely a set of ideas, a belief if you will? So is string theory really a theory in the true sense of the word, or is it really only a hypothesis?
However, if you would like to ask me to explain some of the aspects of those theories that lead us to believe that they *may* have something to do with reality, I would be delighted.
Sure I'd love to hear that as well, especially if it ties in to my previous question of whether it is testable or not. It seems as if we do need a purely string theory based thread.
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