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RAZD
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Message 26 of 119 (363235)
11-11-2006 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Ragged
09-09-2006 6:18 PM


something missing?
Any object can orbit any other object in an infinite number of orbits, so the moon can orbit the sun at the current distance and the earth can orbit the sun at the same distance -- the formula for the gravitational attraction between the sun and the moon or the sun and the earth only tells you what the force holding them IN the orbit is.
FIN = Gravitational force = GmM/R^2
The equilibrium of an orbit is established by the force holding the objects OUT from the center, and this is based on obital velocity:
FOUT = Centripetal force = ~mV^2/R
(as a first approximation especially where m << M)
In a circular orbit this is simple, in an elliptical orbit it gets a little more complicated, but it is easy to see that
  • if FIN > FOUT that the object will be pulled in, and
  • if FOUT > FIN that the object will tend to drift out, AND
  • that an object in an elliptical orbit will oscillate between these two conditions
So the question is NOT how big the forces are but whether they BALANCE for the orbit(s) in question.
From
Page not found: The Worlds of David Darling
For a circular orbits where FIN = FOUT, and where m is closer to M, a more accurate formula for orbital velocity is given:
V = {G(M+m)/R}^1/2
And using this as a simple approximation we can then compare the orbital velocities for the moon in orbit around the sun (neglecting the earth), for the earth in orbit around the sun (neglecting the moon), and for the {earth\moon} system in orbit around the sun.
Prediction: the calculated velocities will be closest to the actual orbital velocity with the {earth\moon} system.
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RAZD
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Message 28 of 119 (363357)
11-12-2006 7:52 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by 42
11-12-2006 7:01 AM


falling feathers
and the imaginary one with the feather and heavy object falling together on the moon.
Imaginary?
http://www1.jsc.nasa.gov/er/seh/feather.html
video of the drop
http://www1.jsc.nasa.gov/er/seh/feather.avi
Altogether, this topic makes me wonder - does every piece of matter continuously fall, towards the rest of the universe's centre of gravity?
Well christians are always telling us we're fallen ...
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