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onifre Member (Idle past 2981 days)  Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
AlphaOmegakid writes: Natural selection is a tautology. Homologies are circular reasoned. Vesigial features are circular reasoned. The geological column is circular reasoned. And genetic evidence of evolution is tautological. All of these arguments from Alpha are based off of a belief in a Creator. He has no evidence to support it simply because once he has established that HE sees design, he can invoke that Creator that he has so soundly believed in. So you see the evidence supports his POV, because the evidence supports design...in his opinion. He uses this statement to support his view,
As jurors, we listen to the "experts" and then we make up our minds. He believes he is a juror sitting on a panel listening to scientists present evidence that he then may evaluate on his own...how do you make a point with someone who believes that their opinion on a scientific matter is better than the conclusions from experts in the scientific fields?
Or, if the pattern does exist, then he must show either (a) how the pattern supports an alternative interpretation better than, or at least as well as, it supports the theory of evolution, or (b) how the pattern is coincidental and meaningless. I suspect if he, or other creationist do engage in the thread(which im sure they will ), you will get the basic micro/macro argument that floods so many other threads. Great thread though, I hope he and other creationist stick to the facts and not their opinions.  "All great truths begin as blasphemies" "I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks "I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky
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onifre Member (Idle past 2981 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Dude, what a profound insight! Does this happen often when you smoke pot? Thank you, and YES thats exactly what happens
Oh wait, that's Bill Hicks, not you. The quote is Hicks', the effects are all mine Bill Hicks and I have many similarities...including profession
we've refuted his Huxley quote a good dozen times or so, and he hasn't provided anything else. Honestly I don't think he has anything else
The same thing, I fear, is happening with this tautology argument he used. They just don't see beyond what they want to see, so they conclude that our premises are just assumptions and wail about how we're basing our ideas on a belief system, when in fact, our "assumptions" are the work done by people who went before us, whose work is in turn based on the work of people before them. As I told Berreta, he(or rather they), put the cart before the horse. They have the belief in the Creator, then they view the evidence and adjust it so that it fits their belief...and not the other way around. Ego-centric human POVs, that is what you scientist are faced with these days...Sorry
I debate now for the practice for myself and for the hope that someday, some honest searcher will see the logic in evolution and stop criticizing science. Mines is a much simpler reason. I think creationist are full of shit and take pleasure in telling them Edited by onifre, : No reason given. "All great truths begin as blasphemies" "I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks "I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky
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