What we must accept if we accept evolution

RR,Some people accept only scientific evidence as bearing on "truth". For those people, I believe you are right. Since science only produces explanations that are natural, and since "natural" is simply a word we've made to include both materialism and determanism, then those who accept scienctific evidence and theory as "true" (or only scientific explanations as "true") will follow the path you've outlined.That's just due to the nature of the concepts. Science only deals with material, deterministic explanations. You can study evolution without believing science is the avenue, or the only avenue, to truth. I hope my previous replies helped explain why I think this is an overstatement. It's only if you accept science as the only thing telling you about truth.By the way, Even if you accept these as true, "free will" can still be a useful construct for understanding behavior. Pretty much, we have no other manner of analysis, so ... at this point, it's a necessary construct. Again, I hope my explanation above makes it clear that I think atheism would be forced by the belief that only science can tell you about truth.Assuming that "god" need be supernatural. Natural "gods"; i.e. the worship worship of natural things can exist, but I don't think you're interested in that. This doesn't make sense to me. Nihilism is a subjective opinion. Meaning is imposed by the individual. The meaning imposed can be perfectly objective.They just have no reasonable grounds to back them up.Another way to approximate that thought is to say, there is no objective meaning, but there's nothing to stop an individual from believing in an objective meaning. But really, since meaning IS CREATED by the individual, an individual who believes in an objective meaning CREATES an objective meaning. There's no reasonable grounds to back it up and no reasonable grounds to shoot it down. It's a construct that depends on the individual.Nihilism is not necessary. Because meaning has nothing to do with naturalism or logic. Nihilist are nihilists because they chose. "Choose" not meaning necessarily a conscious choice, but "chose" in the embodied sense--you, as a mind and body, as a being, chose it. You did it. Your body is just responsible for you as your mind.Feel free to ignore me. I'm having trouble getting people to understand where I'm coming from.

My view was that science, when taken as the only avenue of truth, excludes the idea of God. Evolution is part of science, so it too, if taken as the complete truth, excludes the idea of God. or those who accept evolution and only science for finding truth, exclude the idea of God.So evolution itself does not logically exclude God. There are more premises than just "evolution" necessary for that. I'm not sure what to do except to reiterate my argument. The argument is that meaning is created by mind. It cannot be objective or subjective, except as created so by a mind.Then meaning has no place in this discussion. Rationality and logic does not necessitate that meaning be objective (applying to everything / all people) or subjective (applying to only one person). Meaning is created by a person. If you are that person, the meaning is objective. And there is no way to objectively see that it is not objective. If you are not that person, then that person's meaning looks subjective.In other words, the "objectivity" of meaning is observer-dependent. There are observers who have objective meaning. Just because you view it as subjective doesn't make it subjective. Just because it is only one person holding that meaning doesn't make it subjective.In other words, there's nothing that can make meaning "objectively subjective". Everybody judging meaning is an observer, and has meaning attached with their viewpoint. There is no observer-dependent position on meaning. Meaning is only subjective insofar as the observer sees it that way.There is no abstract, observer-independent view on meaning. Nihilism, inasfar as it is true, is only true because that is what you have chosen, and insofar as you are the observer. There is no logical necessity beyond that bare point. Because meaning is created, and you can't ... BE without it.Just ask Faith.