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Author Topic:   The consciouness paradox
Hyroglyphx
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Message 4 of 44 (477275)
07-31-2008 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Agobot
07-31-2008 7:21 PM


Atoms
Isn't that a paradox and a conundrum that some atoms combined in such a way that different substances could be created that would be the building stones of living organisms and those atoms would be self-aware that they exist and that they are just atoms?
There is nothing paradoxical about it, seems to me. You are imparting consciousness to something that has no conceivable or discernible conscience -- atoms. Atoms are the building blocks of matter, that is true. But they are not living, and there is nothing that would insinuate that they communicate with one another. The atoms in your eyes are not looking at the atoms in your hand. As you stated, we are not merely a pile of atoms. There are many other things at play here. And if we are going to keep it on the nano level, then cells, which are living, mean a whole lot more in the sense of your eye looking at your hand.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 14 of 44 (477379)
08-01-2008 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Agobot
08-01-2008 4:13 AM


Consciousness
Consciousness is a paradox all by itself.
I agree.
We are made purely of atoms found everywhere on Earth, just like a house or a complex machine built by us or an animal. At the nano level we are all the same. If it's not a paradox, explain to me how a machine, a pile of bricks, or whatever creation of chance and nature or the human will(that will still be a pile of atoms) could be self-aware of its existence?
Because we are more than a collocation of atoms. It's like saying a house is concrete. While its structure is made of concrete, that is not all that comprises a house. There is obviously more to humans than just atoms in the same way there is more to a house than just concrete. Deductive reasoning would then tell you that atoms are not responsible, at least not solely, for consciousness. That should be a tip off to you to look elsewhere.
Besides, when talking about consciousness, why would we be so certain that anything material could explain it? Our thoughts are not material. Our emotions are not material. The way they are expressed is through material objects such as the brain, and the atoms that compose the brain, but that is not thought or emotion itself. The physiological response should not be confused as the medium it passes through, seems to me.
For instance, if I asked you to prove to me what love is, you might devise a test. You might take me to an MRI and show me pictures of loved ones. You would clearly see a physiological response where portions of my brain would light up. But is that itself love, or is that merely you recognizing my physiological response to the love I feel?
Edited by Nemesis Juggernaut, : typo
Edited by Nemesis Juggernaut, : edit to add

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