|
Register | Sign In |
|
QuickSearch
Thread ▼ Details |
Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
|
Thread Info
|
|
|
Author | Topic: Motley Flood Thread (formerly Historical Science Mystification of Public) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Of course that isn’t true and you know it. Perhaps you should make up your mind which lie you want to tell. Either the diagram is too complex for you to understand or it obviously supports your claims. They can’t both be true. (Of course both are false, anyway). Here’s the diagram again.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
You’re just being silly and wrong. Mutation is needed to overcome the loss of genetic variation produced by selection and drift. Your own argument admits that.
quote: Unfortunately for you we know that there has been much longer than 100,000 years so your truth is quite obviously false.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
|
Faith has just replied to a 608 word message with 8 words. She has no answers for the points raised, which were:
The reality is that the Supergroup layers and the Paleozoic layers were never part of a single stratigraphic column of horizontal layers. The Supergroup layers were deposited first in marine environments, then uplifted and exposed at the surface, tilted, then eroded flat, followed by the deposition of the Paleozoic layers atop them, the tilted contact forming an angular unconformity. --Percy
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
edge Member (Idle past 1735 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
No, they need to be explained and that's why I've got an explanation I've been working on.
Actually, they are quite common. There are at least two angular unconformities and one disconformity in this diagram. But I'd also mention again that they really are the ONLY exception to this rule and that in itself is very interesting, because of the prevailing model were correct there should be a huge number of such "exceptions," it should be the typical case. But it's not How many do you need?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Faith says that units deform as a block, but then breaks her own rule by claiming the layers from the Sixtymile down tilted by themselves independently of the rest of the unit from the Tapeats up. Clearly she has no coherent definition of a unit. Nonsense. You forget I've excepted angular unconformities.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
edge Member (Idle past 1735 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
How do you know it was six separate transgressions and not just six phases of the worldwide Flood?
Because there were six major regressions also. They left behind eroding land surfaces and evolving land organisms such as dinosaurs. How does that comport with your biblical scenario? Only one word: fantasy.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh nonsense.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I spent way too much time trying to take PaulK's views of the underground portion of that Smith diagram seriously. No. It was all deformed as a unit or a block and the distortions seen there where the strata encounter those blank areas are most probably where the strata were intruded and displaced by the usual underground rocks such as schist and granite, like the situation in the Grand Canyon, some of the strata being turned into schist as a matter of fact. This is just another case of strata being laid down all together through all the time periods and then deformed as a unit, only it occurred in a particularly messy way in this case. There aren't even any true angular unconformities here but if there were I reject the standard interpretation anyway: the whole thing occurred at one time and not one segment at a time.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Nonsense. You forget I've excepted angular unconformities. You forget the rules. You cannot make exceptions. One single example that cannot be explained by the flood refutes the flood and makes it trash.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
|
quote: In other words your time was wasted because you couldn’t pick any holes in it. If you actually cared about truth you’d know that understanding the evidence isn’t a waste of time.
quote: But I guess you have to resort - again - to making up bullshit to avoid admitting that the evidence is firmly against you.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The "evidence" you were giving just never made any sense though I kept trying to see it as you seemed to see it. I finally realized it's all an attempt to make something out of nothing. You can't explain the history of the formation of the strata after they are that extremely deformed, and my first take on it was right: The strata on the surface follow a pattern that clearly demonstrates deformation as a unit, and so do the strata underground. The areas you try to make into evidence for deformation before deposition are really just distortions brought about after the deformation. And besides, this would be the only example on the planet of what you are claiming for it. That alone falsifies it.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
|
quote: It will never make sense if you think that a line that curves up is parallel to one running across.
This detail shows a nice example of the cut-off strata. From the middle of the left hand side, there is a thin shaded formation (I assume it is something bigger than a single stratum given the scale) Before it reaches the centre of the diagram it curves up to meet a dotted region, which slopes down - showing no sign of following the upward curve at all. Clearly the deformation of the upward curve did not affect the upper strata.
quote: In other words you couldn’t refute it. The evidence is quite clear.
quote: See above. We can certainly see enough to tell that you are wrong.
quote: Interesting how you suddenly claim that you CAN work out the history of the deformation. And you do it by ignoring the evidence and declaring yourself right. The dishonesty is so obvious.
quote: That is hardly plausible - aside from the fact that the distortion would also count as deformation we have the fact that the strata clearly did not deform as a unit. And the problems of deformation occurring underground and affecting some strata but not those above them are severe as you certainly ought to know. It’s not something that can be blithely assumed.
quote: Of course you are in no position to know that, you just assume it because it’s convenient to you. And at present we have NO examples of places where there was no tectonic disturbance until all the strata were deposited.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The line that curves up was distorted after deformation probably by encountering the metamorphic rocks underground. The underground strata were deformed as a unit of parallel layers and then further distorted afterward.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
edge Member (Idle past 1735 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Oh nonsense. No. Ah, wonderful ... a dismissal followed by a denial. YEC in action, I suppose.
|
|
|
Do Nothing Button
Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved
Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024