dwise1
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Message 727 of 877 (835202)
06-19-2018 2:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 707 by Faith 06-18-2018 9:14 PM
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Re: Strata eroded or deformed in blocks proves Geo Column / Time Scale over and done with
... , and you believe a reptile ear can evolve into a mammalian ear, ... Yet again you babble complete and utter nonsense. GO TO A LIBRARY! On CompuServe I met a very rare critter, an honest creationist. One of the reasons that honest creationists are so rare is that they soon learn how utterly false creationist claims are. In his case, within a year he was arguing against creationist claims. From his Did We Evolve? page in which he did the honest thing, he researched the fossil record on the evolution of the mammalian ear:
quote: Years ago I was fighting the good fight of creation on the Internet. I argued that evolution was impossible, for it required that the genetic code had to be changed to make new kinds of animals. It did not seem feasible to me that evolution could do this. I argued in the CompuServe debate forum, basing my arguments on Michael Denton's Evolution: A Theory in Crises. My favorite illustration was the difference between mammals and reptiles. The differences between living mammals and reptiles are substantial. Mammals all have hair, mammary glands, a four-chambered heart, and the distinct mammalian ear, with three little bones inside. These features are found in no living reptiles. I argued that this is because there is no viable intermediate between the two, that an animal could have either the reptile genetic code or the mammal code but could not be in the middle. An evolutionist disagreed with me. He told me that in the past there had been many intermediates. He said that there were animals that, for instance, had jaw and ear bones that were intermediate between reptiles and mammals. How did he know this? He gave a reference to an essay in Stephen Gould's Ten Little Piggies . I wrote back that since the local library had a large collection of children's book, I should be able to find that book. (I thought I was so funny). I borrowed the book, and found an interesting account of how bones in the reptile jaw evolved and changed through millions of years to become the mammals' ear. That sounded like such a clever tale. How could Gould believe it? Perhaps he made it up. But there was one little footnote, a footnote that would change my life. It said simply, "Allin, E. F. 1975. Evolution of the Mammalian Middle Ear. Journal of Morphology 147:403-38." That's it. That's all it said. But it was soon to have a huge impact on me. You see, I had developed this habit of looking things up, and had been making regular trips to the University of Pennsylvania library. I was getting involved in some serious discussions on the Internet, and was finding the scientific journals to be a reliable source of information. Well, I couldn't believe that a real scientific journal would take such a tale seriously, but, before I would declare victory, I needed to check it out. On my next trip to the university, I found my way to the biomedical library and located the journal archives. I retrieved the specified journal, and started to read. I could not believe my eyes. There were detailed descriptions of many intermediate fossils. The article described in detail how the bones evolved from reptiles to mammals through a long series of mammal-like reptiles. I paged through the volume in my hand. There were hundreds of pages, all loaded with information. I looked at other journals. I found page after page describing transitional fossils. More significantly, there were all of those troublesome dates. If one arranged the fossils according to date, he could see how the bones changed with time. Each fossil species was dated at a specific time range. It all fit together. I didn't know what to think. Could all of these fossil drawings be fakes? Could all of these dates be pulled out of a hat? Did these articles consist of thousands of lies? All seemed to indicate that life evolved over many millions of years. Were all of these thousands of "facts" actually guesses? I looked around me. The room was filled with many bookshelves; each was filled with hundreds of bound journals. Were all of these journals drenched with lies? Several medical students were doing research there. Perhaps some day they would need to operate on my heart or fight some disease. Was I to believe that these medical students were in this room filled with misinformation, and that they were diligently sorting out the evolutionist lies while learning medical knowledge? How could so much error have entered this room? It made no sense. How can you explain those mysterious mammal-like reptiles? Reptiles and mammals today are quite distinct from each other. Mammalian features include differentiated teeth (incisors, canines, premolars, molars), double rooted teeth, a distinct jaw joint, three bones in the ear (stapes, incus, malleus), the diaphragm, limbs under the body, a different arrangement of toe bones, and a braincase that is firmly attached to the skull. No reptile has these features. But when we look at fossils, we find a strange series of animals with features in the middle. They begin 300 Ma (million years ago) in the Pennsylvanian. It was a different world. There were no mammals, flowering plants, or even dinosaurs. According to the fossil record, these would all come later. The world belonged to amphibians and reptiles. Early Synapsids such as Haptodus appeared. Their dentary jaw bones rose in the place where later animals would have a new jaw joint--the mammalian joint. Then advanced pelycosaurs (270 Ma) like the Dimetrodon--those familiar sail-winged animals from your childhood dinosaur set--had signs of a bony prong for the eardrum. Later, cynodonts like the Procynosuchus (236 Ma) had jawbones more similar to mammals, but they still had the reptile's jaw hinge. The Probainognathus (238 Ma) and the Thrinaxodons (227 Ma) have signs of two distinct jaw joints, the reptilian and the mammalian. This allowed some of the bones that had been part of the reptile's jaw to transmit vibrations to the ear. This was the beginning of the special mammalian ear bones. By the time the Sinoconodon appears (208 Ma) the mammalian jaw joint predominates, and the reptilian jaw joint is small. The Morganucodon (205 Ma) has teeth like a mammal, a distinct mammalian jaw joint, and only a tiny remnant of the reptile's jaw. It's malleus and incus ear bones remain attached to the jaw. By the late Cretaceous period (80 Ma) early placental mammals like the Asioryctes had jaws and ears that were transformed to the mammalian type. Two of the reptile's jaw bones, the quadrate and the articular were no longer part of the jaw. Instead they had become the malleus and incus, and are functioning as parts of the mammal's ear. This is only the briefest of overviews of these strange creatures. In reality, there are thousands of species that span many millions of years, with many intermediate stages of many different features.
Go to the library! Learn something! Stop clinging so desperately to your ignorance. Ignorance does not work!
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dwise1
Member Posts: 6053 Joined: 05-02-2006 Member Rating: 7.8
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Message 736 of 877 (835211)
06-19-2018 4:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 728 by Faith 06-19-2018 3:25 PM
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Re: Strata eroded or deformed in blocks proves Geo Column / Time Scale over and done with
... the differences between them requiring incremental changes that could not possibly happn on the trial and error basis that would have to lead from one to the other. What the hell are you babbling about? What "trial and error basis"? You appear to be trying to talk about evolution, but failing miserably at it. You fail because you have no clue what you are talking about. Unfortunately, her abject ignorance does not keep Pope Faith from pontificating endlessly on subjects that she knows nothing about. Faith, please go to a library and learn something! Ignorance does not work, so you must stop relying on it. Yes, I do realize that your religion requires to carefully keep and guard your ignorance, but that is because it is a false religion that cannot survive simple truths. That kind of a false religion is not worth living in abject ignorance.
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dwise1
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Message 769 of 877 (835271)
06-20-2018 6:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 742 by Faith 06-19-2018 9:07 PM
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Re: Strata eroded or deformed in blocks proves Geo Column / Time Scale over and done with
Surely it is clear that to get from one species to another would require lots and lots of transitionals and lots and lots and lots of trial and error before the right combinations show up, and this would have to happen increment by increment. Just what the FUCK are you babelling on about? Just what fucking stupid ideas are you trying to advance???????????????????????????????????????? "trial and error" Just what the frickin', frackin', fuck' are you babbling about with all your idiocy? You want transitionals? GO TO THE FUCKING LIBRARY!!! It's all there and has been for all the years that you have spent on this forum denying reality and even much longer than that!
... and lots and lots and lots of trial and error ... Just what the hell is that utterly stupid shit? No, features evolved because they evolved. Nothing came about through "trial and error", but rather because they evolved, you stupid twit. Faith, you have absolutely no clue what evolution is nor how it works. You are completely and utterly clueless. As such, you are consigned to the complete and utter idiots littering the sewerways. Content hidden. Childish rant with no real content. A substantial lack of "niceness". A substantial amount of "asshole". Official "You are in danger of getting suspended again" warning. Or something like that. Adminnemooseus Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Toxic message hidden.
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