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Author Topic:   Hypocrisy and doubletalk: Lessons from Sean Penn
NoNukes
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Message 4 of 26 (776597)
01-17-2016 12:41 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Hyroglyphx
01-17-2016 12:19 AM


ut I am referring to traits that seem highly prevalent among self-professed Progressives
Interesting. So you won't mind when I use Rush Limbaugh to characterize conservatives then? I'm free to pick the single most ridiculous position some conservative pundit holds and then claim I've demonstrated that it is highly prevalent among the rest?
Damn. I've been working too hard at this.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 6 of 26 (776601)
01-17-2016 3:41 AM
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01-17-2016 1:04 AM


EAH! That's why you are not a conservative, and neither am I. We aren't conservatives because there are qualities among them that we find counterproductive.
Actually, all people have counterproductive qualities, which is the point of my comment. For example, attempting to make a case about progressives based on what Sean Penn does indicates a somewhat rough edge of yours.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 8 of 26 (776603)
01-17-2016 4:47 AM
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01-17-2016 4:26 AM


No more so than making a case about conservative ideology by questioning Donald Trump.
So that's your explanation? You have heard somebody criticize all conservatives by comparing them to Trump so that allows tarring all progressives with something stupid Sean Penn did?
Here you hold the shovel. I was trying to dig a hole for you, but you seem intent on digging yourself.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 10 of 26 (776605)
01-17-2016 5:54 AM
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01-17-2016 5:05 AM


What I'm tarring is the Progressive concept that what conservative U.S. politicians do is somehow more vile than what even Chapo Guzman could do.
There is nothing particularly progressive about that concept. It's just stupid. We might just as well call racism a conservative concept.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 14 of 26 (776622)
01-17-2016 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Hyroglyphx
01-17-2016 7:37 AM


But I bet you wouldn't disagree with that, and had my original focus been on Conservatives instead of Progressives, you wouldn't have taken any exception to the thread.
Whether or not I question you has nothing to do with whether your particular generalization here was appropriate. I note that you don't even try to defend your position here other than to state that there are some things we can generally say about progressives. Instead you are simply defending the right to generalize in an unwarranted fashion.
At least if I use Trump as an example, I can cite the poll results which suggest that large segments of Republican voters love what he says. On the other hand, there seems little reason to tar progressives with any particular thing Sean Penn says. In this case, we pretty much all agree that Sean Penn missed the mark here.
Look in the fucking mirror some time! We, as Progressives, have some issues we need to sort out as well.").
Of course that statement is true. Maybe you'll hit on one of those issues in a future post.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 24 of 26 (776660)
01-18-2016 12:59 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by Hyroglyphx
01-18-2016 12:20 AM


There's really not much to discuss then. Had I used Mel Gibson to summarize the conservative ethos we wouldn't be having this discussion. The peanut gallery has obviously taken strong exception with using Sean Penn, so I guess this thread is dead.
Your post is dishonest. Nobody here is making any effort whatsoever to defend Sean Penn. Almost all of the complaints are about you generalizing your attack on Penn to progressives.
That generalization was wrong. You have no defense for making the generalization you do so you engage in speculation about what I would have done had you applied the same poor logic to someone else. I'm not perfect, but I do regularly call people for making bad arguments on issues that I would agree with them on.
But you are right. If this is the best you can do them you don't have much to discuss.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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