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Genomicus
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Message 36 of 75 (775638)
01-03-2016 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by LamarkNewAge
01-03-2016 2:45 PM


Re: I would have just left it after 1 post.
LamarkNewAge, Percy literally said nothing that was incorrect. He/She/It said:
How people see immigration depends upon whether they're members of the majority race in their country.
Percy did not specify HOW members of the majority see immigration, only that it's a factor in shaping their convictions on that matter. There is a large body of evidence that the majority race tends to see immigration in a different light than those who are minority races. Percy's statement is wholly correct.
That's another thing about being objective: actually examining what is said instead of what you think was said or meant.

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Genomicus
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Message 38 of 75 (775644)
01-03-2016 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by LamarkNewAge
01-03-2016 3:29 PM


Re: I would have just left it after 1 post.
Percy still said nothing that was at all incorrect, and that deserves emphasis.
Why is the most balanced group presented as some sort of dichotomy between everybody else in the OP (and by you)?
Two points:
1. You're picking and choosing what data to present to the EvC audience. Consider the following data gathered in 2006:
a. 34% of whites believe that immigrants significantly increase crime, as opposed to 26% of blacks.
b. 67% of whites believe that (presumably undocumented) immigrant children should be allowed to attend public schools, while 79% of blacks support this.
c. 59% of whites believe that undocumented immigrants should be required to "go back to where they came from," as opposed to 47% of blacks.
Source: here.
2. Since whites are the majority race in the U.S., they represent an existing power structure. Minority races do not have nearly the kind of power available to the majority race; thus, the beliefs of the majority race are more likely to influence policy, legislation, advertising messages, and other media. So that is why there is a sort of dichotomy between the majority race and minority races. It is worrying that a large percentage of the majority race holds erroneous, fallacious views on immigration precisely because that majority race holds the most power.

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Genomicus
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Message 40 of 75 (775647)
01-03-2016 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by LamarkNewAge
01-03-2016 4:24 PM


Re: I would have just left it after 1 post.
This question (from 2006 btw) is not specific as to HOW to make them go back.
You're moving the goalposts. We're not discussing only issues about HOW undocumented immigrants should go back (of course, any ethical person wouldn't adapt this viewpoint in the first place, but I digress). We're discussing the broad topic of black and African-American attitudes towards immigration, which you called Percy out on despite the fact that OP made no errors in making the statement about majority race.
When it comes to deportation, the response is different.
My point exactly. We're discussing the broad spectrum of racial views on immigration, while you were just picking and choosing select data.
Also, it is well known that blacks don't always tell pollsters the truth when asked about immigration.
I'd like to see rigorous peer-reviewed literature on that which includes sample size, margin errors, and statistical significance of results. You're not presenting exactly robust evidence that can be assessed for its empirical/numerical validity.
You also didn't respond to #2, which explains exactly why Percy's focus on majority race is highly relevant.

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