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Author Topic:   With a dying white race, why are we not encouraging more white births?
anglagard
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Message 66 of 237 (774544)
12-18-2015 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Faith
12-18-2015 7:02 PM


Bearing False Witness
Faith writes:
The South is mostly Democrats
The vast majority of the former Confederate (traitor) states have been voting Republicans into virtually every office by vast majorities since 1980.
Let's see how you "trump" this fact that everyone else seems to know.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
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From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 77 of 237 (774559)
12-18-2015 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Faith
12-18-2015 8:01 PM


Re: Bearing False Witness
The era in question was the two or three decades preceding 1980. Does that trump it for you?
Here is the problem:
The South is mostly Democrats, where are you getting all this stuff about Republicans becoming racist during the Civil Rights era?
Once you set off the phrase "the South is mostly Democrats" from the rest of the sentence with a comma, it becomes sort of an independent clause.
Had you been as articulate in making this statement as the meaning you meant to convey you would have written something like this:
"During the Civil Rights era, the South was mostly Democrats"
Notice also the lack of present tense, which is vastly more accurate than the use of present tense as in "the South is mostly Democrats," which is, at present, a patently and demonstrably false statement.
In this case either you are intentionally misleading (hence the title) or unintentionally misleading, which makes you somewhat less articulate than you have been given credit for on this board.
Now as to the remainder of your sentence "where are you getting all this stuff about Republicans becoming racist during the Civil Rights era?," the answer is easy. During the Civil Rights era, the traitor Confederate racists moved from identifying as Democrats to Republicans as Nixon's Southern Strategy predicted, a patently and demonstrably true statement.
Edited by anglagard, : Divide last paragraph into two sentences
Edited by anglagard, : change coma to comma, although the term coma likely should have found its way into this post

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
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Message 83 of 237 (774571)
12-19-2015 1:29 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
12-10-2015 8:52 PM


A Few Questions
Our politicians are trying to maintain our populations through immigration and as we can see in Europe, this is not doing the white race any good at all.
What is the "white race?"
Back before the concept of race was discredited by unlocking the human genome, races were generally divided into three greater subdivisions Caucasian, Negroid, and Mongoloid with two additional categories that the 1964 World Book Encyclopedia saw fit to add -- Amerindian and Australoid.
So under this discredited categorization what race are Hispanics? Arabs? Hindustanis? the Danakil of Ethiopia (who are as black in melanin as anyone on Earth). Guess what, they were all considered Caucasian, even by the old standard.
The term "white race" was even obsolete in 1964 and the only time I hear it today, it is used by White Supremacists such as the KKK, skinheads, Neo-Nazis, and some Christian Fundamentalists like the 7th who used to work for me (commonly found in West Texas), or at least implied by the current crop of Republican Presidential candidates.
Instead of wallowing in some discredited concept from the past, why not participate in the modern world of genetics? I have a ballpark knowledge of my Y chromosome heritage, which is R1b1b2a1c where R1=Ukraine 22k BCE, b1=immigration to Europe, b2=Western Europe, and a1c=Northern Germany and the Netherlands later making up 2% of England's population concentrated in the Southeast. The USA Hispanic term "Anglo" for all non-Hispanic Europeans may be inaccurate, but not necessarily in my case, just as calling a Virgin Island Ghanaian descendant of the slave trade Hispanic would be in mine.
Now isn't that more honest and informative than "white race?"
Why would we even worry about the decline of the so-called "white race?" Last time I was in Socorro visiting my daughter, her roommates (two Hindustani Petroleum Engineering, one Ecuadorian Math, and one Egyptian apostate atheist Math grad students) sat down over Long Island Iced Teas and watched the middle movie of the three colors trilogy (named after the colors of the French flag) White from the Polish director Kristof Kieslowski. (oh, BTW, my daughter according to Mormon genealogy is a direct descendant of Rollo of Normandy through my late wife, who according to Wikipedia if you backtrack it, is a direct descendant of Odin through Fryer and therefore a blood relative of Thor and Loki. Why would she associate with anyone who uses the term "white race" when her ancestry is true Vahalla-grade OG. Are you not, to her, with your antiquated concepts, of an inferior race? ).
I assure you the conversation was vastly more intellectual then the one you propose here.
Also, immigrants from all over the world contribute to the USA. For example, my dad rented the apartment in the back of the Masonic Lodge to this Chinese grad student in Hydrology, who later dumped her Chinese boyfriend, got the PhD, married a "white" guy and said up yours to Communist China - suckers. In my experience at New Mexico Tech, this was inevitable, except in one case, for all foreign grad students.
I would also remind you that the "white race" is incapable of harvesting fruit and vegetables. A few years ago IIRC Georgia cracked down in illegals to the point no one was around to pick the crops. Next thing you know the produce is rotting in the fields, the farmers now desperate try to use the incarcerated (largely the descendants of former slaves due to a combination of racism and unfairly enforced stupid drug laws), and even they could not handle it.
Greatest I am, perhaps you need to learn and get out of your box a bit more.
Edited by anglagard, : Change if to of in last sentence.
Edited by anglagard, : Equal capitalization

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
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Message 220 of 237 (775074)
12-26-2015 10:20 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by caffeine
12-21-2015 1:13 PM


A Few Answers
caffeine writes:
The two most common suggestions among the professionals that I can find after 10 minutes internet search are central and southern Asia - perhaps the company that did your test decided that it would sound good if this haplogroup was brought to Europe via Ukraine by some nomads, but it's esseentially something they pulled out of their arse to make the uninformative test you paid for appear to have discovered something significant.
First, I did not take the Y-Haplogroup DNA test, my first cousin did. Second, the test was done to solve a family genealogy mystery, not to determine more ancient origins. The mystery was over my great-grandfather's ancestry, which 20 years of research had failed to solve.
Here are the results of that test under group A1c test #5850. A potential relative was found directly below under test #4588. Further research confirmed the ancestor of the person named under #4588 is my great-great-great-great grandfather, the problem being a single letter change in the last name. This is because my great-grandfather was illiterate due to being kicked out of the house by an evil uncle at 8 years old after his father's untimely demise.
So was the test worth it? It was to me as I didn't have to pay diddlysquat for it yet it increased the genealogical information on my last-named ancestor back 3 generations.
caffeine writes:
This is less genetics than it is marketing, unfortunately. Take the idea that haplogroup R1 means an origin in Ukraine, for example. That's not something anyone has the faintest idea about. R1 is distibuted all over the world; in central and northern Africa, over all of Europe, across central, southern eastern Asia, and at lesser frequencies in Oceania and the Americas (not counting those with known European and African ancestry). There are, of course an enormous number of scenarios regarding its origin that could explain this distribution.
Well, here is this "all over the world" distribution.
Not quite as all over the world as it seems you make it out to be.
From the aforementioned linked test almost all results are positive for the M-269 marker, which means, R1b.
Here is the distribution of R1b:
A bit narrower but this is why, referring back to the R1 distribution please notice the following:
R1b - M269 is mainly Western Europe
R1a - M17 is mainly Eastern Europe
R1b - P297 is mainly Western Russia
R1a - M17 is mainly Northern India
R2 - M 124 appears to be Sri Lanka
R1b - V88 is mainly Southern Chad
R1 - M173 is mainly Eastern Canada with a slight amount around Indonesia and Western Australia
Continuing along those lines, perhaps this may be helpful:
The colors indicate where each current population has over 30% of that given Y-chromosome haplotype.
Guess I spent more than 10 minutes .
However, I learned something from all this. My original post stated I am R1b1b2a1c. Well they changed the code on me -- turns out I am now R1b1a2
quote:
From 2003 to 2005 what is now R1b1a2 was designated R1b3. From 2005 to 2008 it was R1b1c. From 2008 to 2011 it was R1b1b2.
Oh well, honest mistake, I posted working from memory, the last time I checked all this stuff was back in 2010.
However, the science of genetic sequencing is both young and moving rapidly, so who knows what may change in the next five years. Still, I find the information it shows far more revealing than the obsolete and palpably racist term "white race."
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Edited by anglagard, : misspelled post 4 sentences up from end

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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