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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Tanypteryx writes:
He's clearly compensating for a childhood deprived of toys.
Is Santa Claus really a jolly guy, or is he hiding a deep sadness?
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Stile writes:
He tried to substitute food for love.
Nope, he's fat. That's proof he wasn't deprived of anything as a child.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
It's pretty common for painters to paint over a painting they don't like and re-use the canvas. That's a pretty thorough destruction of their creation even if it isn't overtly violent.
It is analogous to a painter slashing his own painting.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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NoNukes writes:
It's a really nice ox.
So you cannot help but commit adultery or to steal your neighbors ox?
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Cat Sci writes:
Would He ever be tempted to, say, roll a million sixes in a row?
Do you contend that God does not have the power to, say, play a game of chance?
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
That's why we follow your threads. It's entertaining to see you stand on your head and run away at the same time.
I like to see how far someone will go to make absurdities seen not so.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
And the goats bleat, "Lord! Lord!"
The gnostic words imputed to Jesus simply are not Jesus. His sheep hear His voice and will not follow a fake Jesus.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
So you don't trust yourself to think for yourself but you trust yourself to choose a revelation.
... I prefer to trust a revelation I can tell is honest narrative and inspired by God....
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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kbertsche writes:
You seem to be using a self-serving definition of "gospel".
As I've mentioned earlier, it is misleading to call these gnostic writings "gospels".
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
kbertsche writes:
And yet they are called gospels. Calling them both "gospels" is very misleading. You're distinguishing "gospel" from "collection of sayings" apparently in an attempt to discount the gnostic gospels - i.e. to suggest that there was no "original plethora" of gospels. What we're talking about here is information about Jesus' life. I don't think it's legitimate to nitpick about how the information was presented.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
kbertsche writes:
The evidence is the apocryphal gospels, non-canonical gospels, Jewish-Christian gospels, and gnostic gospels. You can say what you like about how different they are from the canonical gospels. I just don't think that's a very convincing way to shore up the credibility of the canonical gospels.
Do you have any evidence that there actually was an "original plethora" of gospels?
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
kbertsche writes:
I googled "gospel". And your date restriction is just as irrelevant as your style restriction. Can you please be more specific? What are the names and dates of some representatives of this "plethora" of alternative "gospels" which existed in the first or early second centuries? In the context of this topic ("Is it moral for God to punish us?"), it's the content of the "gospels" that's significant, not how or when that content was conveyed. If there's a different in moral teachings, you might have a case.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
kbertsche writes:
You're just playing with the word "original". Earlier material isn't necessarily original material. As I understand it, there is evidence of cross-copying within the canonical gospels - i.e. they are not all original material. If anything, the differences in the non-canonical gospels make them more authentically "original".
Hence, I believe that there were originally only four canonical gospels--not an "original plethora". I believe that the other so-called "gospels" came significantly later than the canonical gospels. kbertsche writes:
No. It doesn't. The apocryphal gospels, non-canonical gospels, Jewish-Christian gospels, and gnostic gospels are there, whether you try to nitpick them out of existence or not.
I have asked for evidence that there was an "original plethora" of gospels. This amounts to evidence that a number of these other "gospels" were written in the first or early second centuries.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
kbertsche writes:
I don't see where he implied any such thing. Since GIA cheered my Message 87, I'm guessing we're on the same page - and we seldom agree on anything. In his original context, by "original" he seems to mean "contemporaneous with the canonical gospels". So your obsession with contemporaneity is irrelevant to the discussion.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
(Ironically posted on Remembrance Day.) A shepherd should be willing to die for his sheep. Dying itself is not an accomplishment but risking one's life for others is.
Should a shepherd die for his sheep? Greatest I am writes:
It may be better than leaving them sheepless.
Is a shepherd doing the right thing towards his family if he dies for his sheep and leaved his family fatherless?
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