MrHambre writes:
Let's at least admit that there are many, and much more momentous, unforeseen consequences that could come about by fucking with DNA than with a broken bone.
No.
Because you're wrong.
You're trying to compare the "unforeseen consequences" of DNA tinkering with the "totally foreseen consequences" of bone tinkering. And that's the point I'm trying to make... the difference isn't that the consequences are possibly horrible... the difference is merely that the consequences are
unforeseen.
If you actually compare the "unforeseen consequences" of both... you'll see that they both have just as many, just as dangerous, and just as big. They have to be... because they're
unforeseen. It's like comparing the size of two infinite numbers...
Yes, it's quite possible that DNA tinkering can be taken in a very bad direction.
It's also possible that bone tinkering could be taken in a very bad direction.
We have a history of bone tinkering with volunteer subjects and access to everyone under monitored regulations.
We don't have such a history for DNA tinkering.
It's also quite possible that DNA tinkering, given the same volunteer subjects and access to everyone and monitored regulations, could be just as helpful to people and benign to the corruption of society.
Can we just talk this through before we start making changes to the delicate ecosystem of the genome, just so we could make it look like we did due diligence before going whole hog?
Yes, of course. First off, I'm not advocating going "whole hog" in any manner. I'm advocating a controlled, monitored, volunteer-driven, accessible "hog."
Secondly... you have yet to pick anything specific you want to discuss. You keep saying that "the issues" are being hand-waved away... but you won't specify any issues. What's a specific issue? You're going to have to get a bit more specific than "delicate ecosystem."
But beyond things like that, we quickly get into territory where we're defining what are "good" genes and what aren't on the basis of our personal and cultural biases, and this leaves the door wide open for abuse.
That's exactly what should happen. We need to have many different personal and cultural biases give their opinions on such things. Otherwise we're only playing into our own personal biases.
What kind of abuse are you worried about?
Can you give an example that isn't something that would very obviously not be allowed in a democratic society anyway?
Like, obviously, "only people with DNA tinkered brains are allowed in schools so as not to waste public funding on the weak" is a possible abuse. But do you really think such a thing would actually fly? How would such a bill/law/regulation get through the voting process? Especially during this time when equality and fairness are things that are being politically stressed as baseline mandatory.
So, name a specific, possible abuse that you're worried about and we can begin discussing how big of a worry it really should or shouldn't be.
Like I asked before, how do we know that people won't be screened for "bad" genes and prevented from marrying/procreating/holding a job because of the perceived flaws in their DNA?
The same way we're not screened for "bad" IQ levels right now for such things.
The same way we're not screened for "bad" athletic prowess right now for such things.
Some jobs will have minimum requirements... you could say that being a doctor includes certain screening for "bad" IQ levels. You could say that being a professional football player includes certain screening for "bad" athletic levels. But such things are reasonable and valuable. Therefore, perhaps it's possible that certain screening for "bad" genes should be done in certain circumstances as well.
Isn't decreased genetic diversity a bad thing in itself?
No.
Totally decreased genetic diversity of any possible variation at all is a bad thing in itself.
But just "a decrease in genetic diversity" is not a bad thing in itself.
Is anyone who brings up questions like this engaging in nothing but knee-jerk fearmongering, impeding scientific progress for no reason?
No.
Like I said before, the questions themselves are not fearmongering. They're reasonable and understandable.
But anyone jumping to the conclusion of "we shouldn't do this at all" without giving any reasoning other than their fears of future possibilities...
is fearmongering. (You may not actually be doing this, just saying...)