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NoNukes Inactive Member
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If you define a Christian with a qualification that requires the Bible Quite frankly that definition is ridiculous given the fact that the term Bible is a modern construct. (Well at least relatively modern) 'Bible' is clearly not synonymous with the term 'Scripture'. In fact not a single word in the Bible refers to the Bible. Jesus himself never spoke of the Bible. Nor did Yahweh for that matter And ultimately being a Christian must be about what Jesus said and did. Even the things Paul and Peter did, said, and wrote must take a back seat to that.
The best way to define a Christian is: "someone who honestly thinks they're a Christian". I think we can do a little better than that. I'd say that a Christian is someone who knowingly puts into action Christ's teachings. That would I think include not condemning or separating yourself from those who do not know of Jesus. It certainly would not include not giving food and water to the woman at the well. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Where do you see Christians not being saved and non-Christians being saved? In Matthew 25:31-46, all I see are saved sheep and unsaved goats. That's all I see as well as far as Jesus classifying souls. Just two options. But I also see a description of how you end up on the right rather than the left. The description also seems to be the bane of those who practice Dispensationalism. I don't know for sure how you feel about that, but your failure to see the point is highly suggestive. Try not to allow your disdain to prevent you from noticing when someone other than you has a point.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Can I bridge that dichotomy of worldviews, just by my saying so? You'd likely have to drop the young earth nonsense, but that would not interfere with believing that Jesus was resurrected.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
That last part is key. To deny His resurrection is to deny His whole purpose for coming to Earth in the first place. Did you even read my post? What did I actually say about the resurrection? Dumbass.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
You totally missed HIS point, Did I deny the resurrection or say it was optional? No moron. And did you note his explanation makes you look even more like an idiot given that he says he is addressing Catholic scientist's post. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
What I have yet to get an answer on from faceman is if this literalism of bible/scripture is such a requirement. He has hinted at such but has not outright claimed this is required. Literalism as a distinction between what many fundamentalists believe and what an even larger number of protestants accept really only has to do with how a few passages of scripture. In other cases it is easy to demonstrate that fundies are playing fast and loose with the text. For example, the fundamentalist reading of prophecy in Isaiah cannot possibly be defended as literalism of anything like that applied to the genealogy of Noah in Genesis.
Faceman seems to believe that if someone believes genesis is allegory then they can have no faith in the message of the bible by any part at all and thus no grounds to believe in the boy's gift He seems to stop short of that view in Message 47 There's plenty of conflict with that argument, right in the first chapter of Genesis alone. If you can't trust the first chapter, then the rest becomes suspect, from that mindset anyways. But you could still make it work like you say, as long as you held onto the deity of Jesus Christ - that He died for our sins and was raised again, conquering death (call it holy abiogenesis if you like). It's risky though, because it's like building a house on very loose sand. Not recommended.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
So my answer is you may be saved even if you reject some parts of scripture or allegorize them, but how much you can get away with isn't something I'd want to speculate about. God is merciful, but it's risky. As risky as saying that some goats will end up on the right side of Jesus?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I don't see how it could be considered as anything other than Christianity in name alone. When I was reading your post, I lost track of what the antecedents where for your pronouns. By the time I got to the sentence I quoted above, I had no idea what you were to say. What is it that constitutes Christianity in name only? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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