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Author Topic:   GMOs = The Smart Future of Food
xongsmith
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Message 32 of 84 (725282)
04-25-2014 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Omnivorous
04-25-2014 12:15 AM


Omni writes:
The position of the FDA, unless things have changed recently, is that no one can label a food product non-GMO; my understanding is that reflects Monsanto's position, lobbied for and won. The FDA, ironically, simply says that the non-GMO label would be inappropriate because GMOs so pervade our food industry that it is virtually impossible to make a non-GMO product.
Hardly a surprise, since Clarence "Long Dong" Thomas in the Supreme Court used to be one of Monsanto's major corporate lawyers
and
Obama appointed a VP of Monsanto, Michael Taylor, to the FDA. The system IS rigged.
But does Corn Bt work? Apparently we have another case of evolution in action here as the Corn Borer - the bug the corn was supposed to stop - is now mutating around that Genetic Modification:
http://www.isaaa.org/...s/pdfs/documents/Bt%20resistance.pdf
Perhaps not in percentages that kill the idea yet, but in a few more years? This similar to throwing antibiotic after antibiotic against a disease and expecting it to go away.

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Message 35 of 84 (725288)
04-25-2014 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by New Cat's Eye
04-25-2014 11:11 AM


CS asks:
Also, how exactly should GMO be defined. Are bananas genetically modified organisms? I'd say they are. All-natural bananas are seedy crap and the wonderful ones in the supermarket are clones of bred ones.
Breeding crops does not insert genetic material from a completely different organism, even an animal organism, into the DNA. Breeding involves a draconian selection mechanism, to be sure, but the species has to produce the differences in DNA itself.
GMOs are made by cutting genes out of other organisms and inserting them into the new DNA to introduce the new feature.

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Message 59 of 84 (725376)
04-26-2014 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by NoNukes
04-26-2014 10:29 AM


NoNukes excerpted here:
....{}...It can be really hard for people to sort out the science, but sorting out villains and good guys based on their methods is not so hard....{}.... But some people just don't trust that group to be independent anymore.....
Again, Michael Taylor working in the FDA is BY DEFINITION a conflict of interest. Clarence Thomas not recusing himself from every case involving Monsanto is BY DEFINITION a conflict of interest...but, meanwhile....
more of NoNukes's post:
You've convinced me that labeling sucrose is silly, but the issues with corn syrup, soybeans and beets themselves is not going to be a simple matter of looking at identical molecules. Some people might call such campaigns misleading because they don't address the real objections.
Indeed - it isn't the sugar molecule at all - it's the Bt pesticide sitting next to it that you ingest with Corn Bt. Now - don't get me wrong, but on this level Cotton Bt is fine, because, except for the fictional character in Catch-22, Milo Minderbender, no one is trying to get people to eat cotton. Perhaps they can come up with GMO cotton garments that repel mosquitoes.
[satire]
Now on to a whole other issue here with GMOs "solving" the world's food problems as the population continues to lumber on towards 20 billions:
Maybe making more food is not a good idea?? Do we really want to live on a planet of 20+ billions?
How about a GMO that reduces family size - ooo, let's have it affect sperm count and testosterone levels in the male population this time and leave experimenting with the female population alone for once. Maybe put it in beer.
Sort of a "modest proposal"....instead of increasing food crop yields, we ought to be decreasing human crop yields.
[/satire]

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Message 66 of 84 (725522)
04-28-2014 12:42 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by ramoss
04-27-2014 5:14 PM


Ramoss observes:
To produce the sugar , it's pure sunlight.
Maybe this is the way to store energy. Sugar.
The world of the Plant Kingdom has been working on this problem for billions of years maybe....so they might have a good thing going?

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