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Author Topic:   Death in Relation to the Creation and Fall
ringo
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Message 11 of 208 (721563)
03-09-2014 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Faith
03-09-2014 1:04 PM


Faith writes:
Both sin and death "entered into the world" by Adam. Sounds like death coming to earth for the first time to me.
Well of course nobody died before Adam because there was nobody before Adam. That says nothing about "why" death entered.

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 30 of 208 (721627)
03-10-2014 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Faith
03-10-2014 12:22 AM


Faith writes:
Of course what is meant by that passage is that death entered BY ADAM's SIN. Death entered BY SIN, which was committed by Adam.
Of course. It couldn't have entered by anybody else because there was nobody else. That says nothing about why death originated.

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ringo
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Message 110 of 208 (722010)
03-14-2014 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by herebedragons
03-13-2014 9:49 AM


Re: ALL Creation is subject to death because of the Fall
herebedragons writes:
But since you are not KJV only, I won't be quoting scripture from the KJV anymore, since I feel the translation leads to confusion since it is written in Elizabethan English which is not a modern language and words and phrases are used differently today.
I've been accused of being "KJV only" even though I don't believe a word of the Bible. The KJV is what I grew up with; the phraseology resonates in my mind so I know what to look for and where to look.
If you can find a translation that doesn't lead to confusion, more power to you - but I would say that the confusion comes from the content, not the translation. There simply is no way to rationalize all of it with the rest of it unless you compartmentalize like Faith does.

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ringo
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Message 136 of 208 (722158)
03-17-2014 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by Faith
03-17-2014 11:52 AM


Re: Inconsistencies
Faith writes:
The rule is to interpret the difficult scriptures by the clear scriptures....
So when something is clearly fiction, like a talking snake, you should interpret the rest of that passage as fiction.

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ringo
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Message 138 of 208 (722161)
03-17-2014 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by Faith
03-17-2014 12:02 PM


Re: Inconsistencies
Faith writes:
You're forgetting the rule of trusting scripture instead of treating any of it as fiction.
That rule doesn't supersede the rule of using the simple to understand the complex. If you can't recognize fiction in the first place, how can you know what to trust?

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