Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham

Source: ABC News

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Bill Nye "The Science Guy" is set to visit Kentucky next month for a debate on science and creation with the man who founded the Creation Museum.

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Founder Ken Ham wrote on his Facebook page that the museum will host Nye, the former host of a popular youth science show, on Feb. 4.

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Nye has been critical of creationists for their opposition to evolution and asserting that the Old Testament is a literal account of the earth's beginnings. Last year in an online video that drew nearly 6 million views, Nye said teaching creationism was bad for children.

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The video prompted a response video from the Creation Museum, and Ham later challenged him to a debate.

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The event will be titled "Is Creation A Viable Model of Origins?" The museum is planning to charge admission.

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That's what I was wondering. These sorts of debates never go well for evolution. Maybe this time will be different...

And you continue to fail because you really don't know what you're talking about.

Saying it over and over again won't make it true, Faith. We test the veracity of Geology every time we apply it to the exploration and DISCOVERY of natural resources.We find the gold, copper, and oil. What do Creationists find?

The real zinger was:"Because science by definition is a "theory" -- not testable, observable, nor repeatable, why do you object to creationism or intelligent design being taught in school?"Oh my...

Oh yes! All those "billions" of fossils in the rocks today would make for an excellent argument in favor of a global flood 4300 years ago... if those fossils actually represented organisms alive 4300 years ago.A very simple observation that can be made by anyone on the planet and requires zero interpretation is that there are no modern horses, camels, oxen, kangaroos, bears, cats, dogs, cattle, sheep, goats, chickens, humans, trees, grass, wheat, corn, tools, houses, carts, settlements, or ANYTHING from an iron age world present in the rocks.There are fossils that resemble today's animal and plant life, but these examples occur at the top of the rock record. In fact, they occur withing tens of feet of the surface of the earth, when, if there truly was a global flood, they would occur at the bottom. Settlements don't run up hill.On top of that, the deeper you go into the fossil record (i.e., move stratigraphically lower), the more bizarre the life forms. With the exception of a few organisms, they only resemble today's life forms in the most superficial ways.

"Essentially" modern is not what I was going for. I expect exact replicas of life from 4300 years ago in the rock record. But I am interested in knowing which *modern* life forms from 4300 years ago exist in the rock record.You are correct. I used the age of the Bible as the age of the Flood. The flood is alleged to have occurred in the Bronze Age.

That was my point. Of all the "billions" of fossils in the fossil record, not one person has found anything, either a life form or man-made structure, from Noah's time buried by what appear to be catastrophic flood debris and sediments. Not one.We know there are similarities in the fossil record, sharks, coelacanths, camels, mammoths, bears, and so on that lived prior to and coincident with modern humans, but they are always just a little bit different. It does not matter if it's hard for the lay person to see, the differences are there.

I understand that. But the experts can still tell the difference between species from 10,000 years ago and today.Besides, I'm specifically referring to animals and humans that lived 4300 years ago. Those will certainly stick out like a sore thumb at the base of all these thousands of feet of stratigraphic section since most Creos place the flood at the top of the Precambrian.

How about the angle that the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, which are mentioned in Genesis with respect to the location of the Garden of Eden, have apparently been spared being buried under tens of thousands of feet of flood stratigraphy?How many other antediluvian locations, such as possibly Jerusalem, Jericho, the Nile, the Dead Sea, the Red Sea, and so on, are present today where they were prior to the flood?Why were they not buried?

Only if the rocks exposed to weathering contain minerals that react with oxygen or water.

Correct. All we can do is speculate about the past. However, there is blind speculation and informed speculation. Faith and other Creationists practice blind speculation whereas geologists practice informed speculation. Creationists like to pretend they are one in the same, but they are not.Faith knows absolutely NOTHING about the rocks she is discussing. All she looks at are cartoon diagrams on the internet of one location on the planet, and takes it at face value, applying it to the entire planet. Why? Because she is smart enough to realize that by ignoring the details in the rocks, she can make whatever unsupported assertion she needs to make to defend her position.What Faith's geology looks like: What real geology looks like: You take any of the geologic formations in the Grand Canyon and construct detailed stratigraphic sections of them, and you will see the same types of details in the images above. There is NO way a flood of epic proportions could have created all these little textural and compositional differences that Creationists insist. None. It is impossible. But as long as Faith can present the rocks as massive, homogenous, gray or brown or pink horizons on a cartoon, she can say whatever fool thing she wants and the ignorant masses -- like you -- will think she is making good points.Use you god-given brain, man, and question everything.

It's also amazing how entire reef system became detached and hydraulically sorted completely intact!Permian Reefs and Carbonate Complexes

So true!!! I work with a multitude of Creationists and they make excellent geologists."Hey, boss, I think we should drill here to look for more copper because... I don't really know why and I have no model to show you why I think we should drill there, but just put your faith in me! Your $10 million exploration budget is safe with me!!"Yeah... I don't think so. LOLEdited by roxrkool, : No reason given.Edited by roxrkool, : No reason given.

Souble dost! Doo manty Margaristas.Edited by roxrkool, : Too many Margaritas!