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Homosexuality and Natural Selection.

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Message 169 of 243 (414343)
08-03-2007 9:14 PM 		Reply to: Message 168 by Hyroglyphx
08-03-2007 8:59 PM

Re: Arguments from science, not emotion
what purpose would it serve nature to select a specie that does not have the desire to reproduce?
Who said homosexuals don't have the desire to reproduce? They have a sexual attraction to the same sex, that doesn't mean that they're incapable of reproducing or lack the desire.
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Message 171 of 243 (414428)
08-04-2007 3:25 AM 		Reply to: Message 170 by Hyroglyphx
08-04-2007 12:35 AM

Re: Arguments from science, not emotion
A woman and a woman are incapable of producing offspring.
And so they get a sperm donor.
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A man and a man are incapable of producing offspring.
And so they get an egg donor and a rental uterus.
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If they want to copulate with only members of the same sex, that would prevent the desire of reproduction.
False.
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Homosexuals seem to be the very antithesis to the theory of evolution, as it literally, serves no evolutionary purpose to be one.
Kuresu provide a rebuttal to this way back in Message 3
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Message 179 of 243 (414523)
08-04-2007 2:18 PM 		Reply to: Message 177 by Hyroglyphx
08-04-2007 1:34 PM

Re: Arguments from science, not emotion
This is an argument from nature
Ok, a gay man wants to have a child, therefore he has sex with a woman, baby produced. Or are you trying to say that if someone doesn't want to do something, they will never ever do it even to satisfy another desire?
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08-05-2007 2:17 PM 		Reply to: Message 184 by Hyroglyphx
08-05-2007 2:04 PM

Re: Arguments from science, not emotion
clearly we can see that homosexuals are weaker in evolutionary terms, because the desire for progeny is removed.
Except you haven't shown that the desire to reproduce has been removed, you've merely asserted it.
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Message 191 of 243 (414724)
08-05-2007 10:00 PM 		Reply to: Message 187 by Hyroglyphx
08-05-2007 6:09 PM

Re: Arguments from science, not emotion
They have no want or desire to be with members of the opposite sex.
And how does that remove the desire to reproduce? I have no want or desire to eat my mother's lasagna (she puts in way too much spinach) but I do it anyways cause I have a desire to please her. One desire can override another.
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08-06-2007 9:42 PM 		Reply to: Message 230 by Hyroglyphx
08-06-2007 8:57 PM

Re: Arguments from science, not emotion
how can natural selection favor them if they have effectively lost the natural will to procreate?
Can you actually show that homosexuals don't have the desire to procreate or are you gonna keep on asserting it with no support?
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08-07-2007 5:53 PM 		Reply to: Message 235 by Hyroglyphx
08-07-2007 5:45 PM

Re: Arguments from science, not emotion
Conclusion: Homosexuality is not a natural proclivity
How can it not be natural when we see it in nature?
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So how natural is it for homosexuals to go against their own nature just to have children?
About as natural as it is for heterosexuals to go against their own nature and not have children.
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