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Get To Know God (GTKG) 101

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06-05-2005 10:45 AM

Per the Christian Religion, one must get to know their God.
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The Books of Matthew and John seem to be the ones who mention the need to "know".
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It has been alluded to on many threads that one can know the Christian God from looking at nature.
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It has also been alluded to that one does not need to believe first to be able to see evidence of the Christian God that would allow one to know this God.
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So what is the step by step mainstream process of getting to know the Christian God (GTKG)? Whether one is a believer or not.
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An assumption for the purpose of this thread is that our world was created by a supreme being. The Creator. It doesn't assume that this being is the Christian God.
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I don't want this tread to be an argument between Christians on whose practice is correct.
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The aim should be to explain the process necessary to GTKG to the unbeliever.
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My personal experience, since the question will come up, is that I grew up in the Christian Church (Protestant). I was taught about God from the Bible.
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I am also a farm girl and enjoy nature. I liked biology in school. I've spent a lot of time within nature (hiking, crawling through caves, camping, gardening, farm animals, and just watching).
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What I witness within nature and the character of the Christian God within the Bible, IMO do not match up.
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So the way I know the Christian God is from the Christian Bible.
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My personal experience is not up for debate. This thread isn't to show me that I'm wrong.
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The purpose of this thread is for Christians to show step by step the mainstream process of getting to know the Christian God (GTKG)? Whether one is a believer or not.
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I would like to take this one step at a time so that each step can be discussed and understood.
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What is Step 1?
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Admin: I don't want this in F&B or Bible Study and I doubt that it belongs in BA&I since the process is probably not Biblically oriented.
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This message has been edited by purpledawn, 06-05-2005 12:14 PM
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06-05-2005 12:18 PM 		Reply to: Message 2 by AdminPhat
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Is it ok to edit as follows?
No, since we didn't discuss it before the topic was released.
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"The average man does not know what to do with this life, yet wants another one which lasts forever." --Anatole France
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06-05-2005 1:13 PM 		Reply to: Message 6 by dsv
06-05-2005 12:46 PM

Re: dsv's GTKG Step 1
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When you say "Get to Know God" are you talking about the concept of "God" in general or specifically the Christian God outlined in the Christian Bible?
Specifically the God of the Christian Bible.
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Personally, I like your first step.
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Out of curiosity how many steps do you have?
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If I don't get any response from the mainstream or it dies out, we can discuss the rest of your steps. Sound like a plan?
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"The average man does not know what to do with this life, yet wants another one which lasts forever." --Anatole France
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06-06-2005 7:51 AM 		Reply to: Message 10 by arachnophilia
06-06-2005 2:32 AM

Re: can we know god?
IMO we can't truly know a being we can't see or hear. We might be able to know of the being, but not really know the being or have a personal relationship.
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Of course some people think they know celebrities by what they read.
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I guess I wait for a higher level of knowledge before saying I know someone.
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Mt 11:27
"All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
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According to this verse no one can know the Christian God or Jesus, but if Jesus chooses to reveal God then one can supposedly know the Christian God.
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Unfortunately it doesn't really clear up what kind of knowledge we would know. Is it knowing God personally or just that God exists?
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"The average man does not know what to do with this life, yet wants another one which lasts forever." --Anatole France
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06-07-2005 7:42 AM 		Reply to: Message 13 by redseal
06-07-2005 6:14 AM

Natural World Reveals God
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Natural World Reveals God: Acts 14:15-17; Romans 1:19-23
How does the natural world (not the Bible) reveal God to the common man today?
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What does the natural world (not the Bible) reveal about God to the common man today?
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Does one need to believe in God before being able to see what God reveals about himself in nature?
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"The average man does not know what to do with this life, yet wants another one which lasts forever." --Anatole France
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06-08-2005 7:57 AM 		Reply to: Message 15 by dsv
06-07-2005 9:39 AM

Step 1
Lists like redseal's are usually all I get for an answer aside from the one you mentioned where Christ is the bridge.
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Unfortunately, specifics on what and how never come to light.
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If nothing comes to light in the next few days we can discuss your path to discovery, which sounds like the path I'm on.
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"The average man does not know what to do with this life, yet wants another one which lasts forever." --Anatole France
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Message 18 of 46 (236590)
08-24-2005 6:52 PM

Model for Seeking God
Since no one cared to explain how we are to get to know God, I think we could use this thread as a place for iano to provide a model for seeking God.
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iano writes:
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From Atheism isn't a Belief Thread
First a model designed to collect evidence > then apply model > then evaluate evidence if it comes. That is the logical sequence. Discussion of evidence needs evidence to discuss. And to discuss both parties need to be party to the evidence.
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I feel it is unreasonable for an atheist to be responsible for coming up with the model, since those who believe in God supposedly know where to look, etc.
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"The average man does not know what to do with this life, yet wants another one which lasts forever." --Anatole France
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08-25-2005 6:31 AM 		Reply to: Message 19 by GDR
08-24-2005 7:39 PM

Step 2
Step 2
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One needs to be needy, have a hole to fill.
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The question is, how are you supposed to search for a God that seems invisible -- one that you can’t physically see and touch or audibly hear?
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09-05-2006 9:26 AM 		Reply to: Message 22 by Phat
09-05-2006 8:41 AM

Re: GTKG: Tear down the wall!
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Quite simply---I dont believe that we find God. I believe that God finds us.
And yet people spend more time hiding from God than not.
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