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Author | Topic: Down To The Wire 2012 >>POLITICS<< | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
("lower taxes" and then "close loopholes" to make the whole thing "budget neutral?" If it doesn't do anything to the budget then why bother enacting it?) I think its for the medium to smaller companies that don't, or cannot, take advantage of the loopholes. High taxes does stifle newer business development and if you can promote that kind of growth then you can get more jobs n'stuff.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
You say that can't be true. Quote me saying that.
The highest growth period for business and productivity was during period of highest taxes in the US. That doesn't mean the taxes caused the growth. And what kinds of businesses were growing? The larger the business the less the tax is going to impact their growth. And those are the ones that more take advantage of the loopholes too. Smaller businesses have it harder and relieving some of the taxes would help them.
Instead of paying the CEO an extra 10 million Yeah, I'm not talking about those kinds of companies.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I'm not saying that businesses cannot succeed with high taxes. I'm saying that a reduction in these taxes could help small to medium sized business grow by reducing their cost to operate.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Do you see why someone might think that the bugetly neutral lowering of taxes and closing of loopholes could be worthwhile?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Do you see why someone might think that the bugetly neutral lowering of taxes and closing of loopholes could be worthwhile? It could...but I don't think that lowering taxes is particularly appropriate anyway, even if closing loopholes would be worthwhile. If we're talking about lowering the deficit, we don't need budget-neutral, we need budget-positive. Well I didn't, and don't, intend to defend that the policy would actually work. You asked why it was proposed and I offered what I think is the reasoning behind it.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Has there ever even been a pure democracy?
You say the US isn't a democracy, but it is classified as one. I don't think "democracy" means "pure democracy".
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
The US is only classified as a Democracy by the uniformed or when speaking colloquially. The Economist Intelligence Unit uses the Democracy Index to classify the United States, and 24 other countries, as a Full Democracy.
It has some democratic features but also those of a Republic and a Constitutional state. They include the qualities of federalism, constitutional republic, presidential system, and bicameralism within their classification as a democracy.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
And as I said, it is speaking colloquially, informally and goes on to list more precise subdivisions. I wouldn't call a big company like that using an index like that to classify countries like that as being "colloquial". How much more formal could it get? Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Actaully it is a formal broad classification. That's how the word Democracy is being used. Its not being used to mean pure democracy, as I said.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Formal broad classification? Yeah:
quote: LOL Laughing isn't an argument. It seems you're the one avoiding learning.
It is imprecise. It is vague. Yes, that is how the word "democracy" is used, as I've been saying.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
As I replied:
Formal broad classification?
Yeah:
quote: LOL Laughing isn't an argument. It seems you're the one avoiding learning.
It is imprecise. It is vague. Yes, that is how the word "democracy" is used, as I've been saying. Please note your avoidance behavior.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
So how did you vote on the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare)? What about funding for the war in Iraq? Did you vote to continue funding or against it? My point is that when people say that the US is a democracy, they are not saying that it is pure democracy where everyone votes on everything.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Well if all you have is a semantical argument then why are we arguing. You are arguing to argue, nothing more. I wanted to ask the question, and I'm still wondering, has there even been an actual pure democracy?
Phat asked a question, I answered it with a technically precise answer. Is technically precise better than actual usage? (didn't you argue that a bison is a buffalo because that's how people say it?)
Yes a Federal Republic is a form of democracy. But Phat wanted to know why that was different than a Democracy. The key is I am the one that originally stated the US was more of a Federal Republic than a Democracy so shouldn't what I meant by Democracy matter than what you mean? That's fine, this semantic argument only came up because someone else said that only uneducated people would call the US a democracy in a formal sense and I found that hard to believe (and it turned out to be wrong). But you also said that the US isn't a democracy. I think that's a little misinformation if you're gonna go by the technical precise definition when its in conflict with the acutal usage.
You win ok. Lets move on. Has there ever been a pure democracy? I honestly don't know.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
What we are saying is that they are using the term incorrectly, but it is used so often in this incorrect way that we understand what they are trying to get at. It's a bit like ignoring people when they say that the Sun moves about the Earth when they describe morning moving towards evening. I disagree. Saying the sun moves about the Earth is factually wrong but saying the US is a democracy is not. I don't think that's using the term incorrectly either. "Democracy" doesn't mean "pure (or direct) democracy".
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