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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
You are hopeless. I didn't ask what you'd put on the list. I asked what your criteria would be, since it can't be evidence since you yourself referred to them as unevidenced.
--Percy
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Dredge Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
I have evidence in the form of two miracles that I experienced, not to mention all the other forms of evidence.
if you can't prove your god, which I will modify as you have no evidence for your god, then how is no evidence different from doesn't exist?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
"I think only an idiot can be an atheist." Unlike Sagan's aliens, this absence of evidence, given the supposed actions of your gods, does equal evidence of absence. Christian Anfinsen, winner of the 1972 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for his work on ribonuclease.
Just like the tooth fairy, no evidence = no fairy. No evidence = no god.
A logical fallacy, I would say. No evidence doesn't mean there is no God. Which law of the universe says humans must have evidence for God's existence in order for God to exist? Does a monkey need evidence for the existence of the Large Hadron Collider in order for the the Large Hadron Collider to exist?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
So you're claiming that ToE is not falsifiable?
No one can possibly prove the ToE did not create the fossil record.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
ringo writes:
I'm afraid it is about proof. The statement, "I know that God does not exist" carries with it the burden of proof. Again, it isn't about proof. If I declared, "I know that Santa Claus does not exist", I would then be expected to prove that Santa does not exist ... otherwise I would rightly be viewed as a bs-artist.
This thread is about weight of evidence.
If the statement, "I know God that does not exist", were a theory, the thread would then be about weight of evidence ... but that statement is not a theory - it is a claim to knowledge, which consequently carries the burden of proof.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Phat writes:
Well said, Phat. Atheists deny the personal experiences of believers simply because they don't want such experiences to exist .. just as they don't want God to exist. So you are saying that its highly illogical and unbelievable that there is a higher power, Creator of all seen and unseen. And I am assuming that your "standard" of evidence excludes the personal experience and perspective of many others. I've personally experienced two miracles, but atheists dismiss them as lies or madness ... any lame excuse to deny evidence of God's existence.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Does it? We've been through the claim before that Jesus was around since the beginning. It doesn't hold any water.
In the Gospel Of John, the text says that through Him all things were created. Phat writes:
You're still evading the question: Why would I not feel obligated to go on a pilgramage to Mecca? Why do YOU not feel obligated to go on a pilgrimage to Mecca. Just answer the question. Don't try to be clever.
You first concluded that humans had many gods. You next concluded that you didn't need to follow ANY of them, including Jesus. Phat writes:
Like Trump tells YOU what you wamt to hear?
Some day, some leader is going to say the things you all want to hear. Phat writes:
Most of the countries on earth have already done that
About how the government need to take away all of the guns and all of the nukes. Phat writes:
Nonsense. This leader will profess Christianity, like Trump and Hitler and Napoleon. Nobody can be an antiChrist without being a fake Christian.
This leader will profess no religion. Phat writes:
No. This leader will be a hatefilled asshole like Trump and all of the hatefilled assholes, like you, will support him.
This leader will likely be a loving humanist. Phat writes:
And you call yourself a "moderate", yet you set the religious authoritarians up on a pedestal.
The ones who oppose will be religious authoritarians from the conservative side... Phat writes:
You really don't know the first thing about your own antiChrist, do you? And one day this leader will walk into that new Temple that will be built in Israel and will go in to the holy of holies and say that we humans are the only important character in future progress."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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Dredge Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined:
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Tanypteryx writes:
A higher power did let me know it exists with absolute evidence - I've experienced two miracles.
If there were any higher powers that wanted us to know they exist, it would be easy to give us absolute evidence.Phat writes:
Is your imagination limited by science?ringo writes:
And how would you define "reality"?
Of course not, it's informed by reality
Wait, let me guess ... reality is defined by the parameters of science.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Whether he "needs" it or not, the evidence is there. Whether he sees it or not, the evidence is there. Does a monkey need evidence for the existence of the Large Hadron Collider in order for the the Large Hadron Collider to exist?"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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Dredge Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Percy writes:
So there's nothing good in the world?
Wars and earthquakes and hurricanes and Down's syndrome and cancer and Alzheimers and MS and Parkinson's and ebola and Tom Cruise and on and on, and he wants you to worship him for this?
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
You can be as afraid as you like. Science is never about proof. Again, try to make your argument without using the word 'proof'. I'm afraid it is about proof. The statement, "I know that God does not exist" carries with it the burden of proof."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Nonsense. I'd be tickled pink if there was a sky-daddy to fix all my problems for me. And I'd be even pinker if there was an afterlife where I could see all the people again whom I loved in this life.
Atheists deny the personal experiences of believers simply because they don't want such experiences to exist .. just as they don't want God to exist. Dredge writes:
That's your own fault because you're a habitual liar. I've personally experienced two miracles, but atheists dismiss them as lies or madness ..."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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Dredge Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
ringo writes:
Which part of "I know that God does not exist" is about science?
Science is never about proof. Science is never about proof.
Really? So science can't prove that Tiger Woods can hit a golf ball further than me? Science can't prove that water boils at about 100^C under standard pressure at sea level? Science can't prove that DNA produces mutations? I think you meant to say, "A scientific theory is never about proof."
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