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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4441 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Sludge writes: A higher power did let me know it exists with absolute evidence - I've experienced two miracles. A yet there is no way for you to prove that is not total bullshit, so I don't believe you.
Sludge writes: And how would you define "reality"? Wait, let me guess ... reality is defined by the parameters of science. Sorry, I don't know what you mean by "the parameters of science." You're not a very good guesser. I think reality is everything that is not imaginary or supernatural.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Dredge Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tanypteryx writes:
And how do you determine what "is not imaginary or supernatural"? I think reality is everything that is not imaginary or supernatural. Wait, let me guess ... the parameters of science.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4441 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Pete and repeat.
Sludge writes: Wait, let me guess ... the parameters of science. What are "the parameters of science?"Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
The part that's in the Science Forums - i.e. all of it.
Which part of "I know that God does not exist" is about science? Dredge writes:
It doesn't. Unless you can provide citations of scientific papers on that topic.
So science can't prove that Tiger Woods can hit a golf ball further than me? Dredge writes:
It's not a proof. It's an accumulation of evidence.
Science can't prove that water boils at about 100^C under standard pressure at sea level? Dredge writes:
DNA doesn't produce mutations. DNA is subject to mutations caused by radiation, etc.
Science can't prove that DNA produces mutations? Dredge writes:
I meant to say, "Science doesn't deal in proof," and I did say it. I think you meant to say, "A scientific theory is never about proof.""Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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Dredge Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
ringo writes:
So science can't prove that a change in the DNA sequence of an organism results in a mutation?
Science is never about proof.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I know this was directed at Dredge but im curious what its about.
Add By Edit: Wow! Quite a taunting little video...does even Dredge deserve it? Also, I hope no one also thinks of me in this context."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I had to look that up too. This is what I got:
quote "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
If the shoe fits.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4441 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
So the parameters of science are everything that has to do with science, for short we can just call it science, parameters is just redundant.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Percy Member Posts: 22490 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Dredge writes: I have evidence in the form of two miracles that I experienced, not to mention all the other forms of evidence. Great. Please present the evidence of these miracles, and "all the other forms of evidence" too. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22490 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Dredge writes: AZPaul3 writes: Dredge writes: No one can possibly prove that God doesn't exist No one can possibly prove the ToE did not create the fossil record. So you're claiming that ToE is not falsifiable? He was using the word "prove" in an ironical sense because your were still in the middle of insisting that science proves things. --Percy
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Wow! Quite a taunting little video...does even Dredge deserve it? Most especially Dredge (AKA Sludge). These things have been explained to him repeatedly for many months, yet he just keeps on posting the same stupid BS nonsense. He is being most stubbornly willfully stupid about everything, reverting to stupid taunts repeatedly. IOW, he is a typical troll serving his stupid little troll-god (not to be confused with any actual version of the "Christian God" despite Sludge possibly thinking that his god is the same). That video offers Sludge too much respect, vastly more respect than he deserves.
Also, I hope no one also thinks of me in this context. At least you will try to engage in actual discussion. Sludge never has and never will. He is far less than a bottom-feeding troll. You are not, regardless of how frustrating you can be at times.
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Percy Member Posts: 22490 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Dredge writes: I'm afraid it is about proof. The statement, "I know that God does not exist" carries with it the burden of proof. If I declared, "I know that Santa Claus does not exist", I would then be expected to prove that Santa does not exist ... otherwise I would rightly be viewed as a bs-artist. There's this thread's title, "I know that God does not exist," and you've added the example, "I know Santa Claus does not exist." Someone might responds, "Oh yeah? Well prove it!" What happens next is not a proof. Proofs are the realm of the mathematical. Generally when people use words like "know" or "proof" they're not using them in any strict absolutist sense. You hear the word "prove" a lot in casual conversation, and it is very rare that it is used in the sense of establishing truth through evidence or argument. They just mean they've got good reasons or evidence for what they're saying. The word "prove" has no place at all in science. If "truth" is recognized as timeless then science can never prove the truth of anything. Concerning the word "know", often when people use it they only mean they're cognizant or aware or have information, as in the casual, "I know how to drive." Certainly there are other times when they might use the word in the sense that you're using it, that they have knowledge of a fact or truth, like, "I know Trump won the 2016 election." But you're insisting that every time anyone here uses the word know that they must be using that second definition, and that's simply untrue. And of course there's a spectrum of meaning governed by context. --PercyEdited by Percy, : Typo.
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Percy Member Posts: 22490 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Dredge writes: I've personally experienced two miracles,... Prove it. --Percy
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