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Author Topic:   Mr. Warren's "10 questions". Value and Laws Subset
Huntard
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Message 1 of 11 (491313)
12-14-2008 8:17 AM


Bertot pointed me to a debate between two people about "the existence of god".
In this debate one of the participants, namely Mr. Warren, had asked his opponent 10 questions. I would like to give answers to these myself, as I think Mr. Flew (the one who answered these questions) gave some pretty lousy answers to them.
First of all, here's the entire debate: http://www.thebible1.net/video/warrenflewdebate/
The questions are all brought up during Mr. Warren's first speech.
I will reproduce the questions and my answers here:
This is the morality part, there is also an evolution part.
1) True or false: Value did not exist before the first human being.
This is false. If he had said before there was intelligence, I would've agreed with him.
2) True or false: In murdering 6 million Jewish men women and children, the Nazis were guilty of real, objective, moral wrong.
False. There is no objective moral wrong.
3) In torturing and or murdering 6 million Jews, the Nazis were guilty of violating:
The law of Germany
The law of England
The law of the United States
The law of god
Some other law
No law at all

Now, I don't know what all these laws were at the time, so I would have to go with "No law at all". The reason we could convict the Nazis was quite simple. We won the war.
8) Each one of us has a real moral objective obligation to become an atheist, so that if he does not become such, he becomes guilty of real objective moral wrong.
False. There is no objective moral right or wrong, therefore, one cannot have that obligation.
9) Real objective evil exists.
False.
10) From the concept of god and the actual existence of subjective evil, one can soundly deduce the non existence of god.
Since there is no universal concept of god, this question makes no sense to me.
Now that you have my answers, I would like to discuss the points raised by these questions and my answers to them. Do you agree or disagree, and why?
Edited by Huntard, : Did as AdminNosy suggested.
Edited by AdminNosy, : Title change

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Huntard
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Message 3 of 11 (491326)
12-14-2008 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by AdminNosy
12-14-2008 8:53 AM


Re: Two Topics
Did as you asked. Thanks

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Huntard
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From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 6 of 11 (491336)
12-14-2008 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Taz
12-14-2008 12:01 PM


Taz writes:
Define value.
I don't know exactly what Mr. Warren meant here, but I'm assuming he was talking about morals.
Depends on what is meant by value, the answer would either be true or I don't know. False cannot be an answer for this question.
Perhaps I should have made clear that I was talking about modern humans here too. Since I hold that our morals come from our intelligence, I said this was false, as the other species before modern humans that had intelligence, also would've had morals.
I beg to differ.
Would you mind pointing me to this "objective moral wrong"? I've never come across it.
You're wrong here. The only way the nazis could have gotten away with their own law was if they could justify the holocaust as war related. Other than that, they had laws regarding stealing, kidnapping, and murder just like the rest of us. The difference was they didn't have a justice system that would enforce those laws.
Well, as I said, I didn't know these laws. Question answered it seems.
I beg to differ.
Could you point me to this "objective right or wrong"?
I beg to differ.
See above.
I beg to differ.
Then what is the concept of god that everyone agrees on?

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