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Message 64 of 365 (651183)
02-05-2012 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Chuck77
02-05-2012 2:23 AM


Re: The debate
So when I provide Creationist' evidence it isn't good enough. I would have gotten around to presenting the evidence Creations have but it can't ever get there because of the complete and utter bias this site has.
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.
Philip K. Dick
Something that you and other creationists should keep in mind.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 119 of 365 (651527)
02-07-2012 8:58 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by Drosophilla
02-07-2012 5:38 PM


Creationists' odds and other follies
Fred Hoyle calculated the chance of spontaneously assembling 2000 proteins, of 200 amino acids each, at 1 in 10 to power of 40,000.
As Hoyle was a physicist and astronomer rather than a biochemist, his assertions on protein assembly could be called into question. He certainly didn't understand the combined working tenets of random mutation acted upon by non-random natural selection......otherwise he wouldn't have come up with your statement (which you don't source) nor his famous 'Hoyle's Fallacy (AKA 'Junkyard tornado' - Link to Wiki article ) which only goes to illustrate that Hoyle hadn't got a handle on the ToE.
I've posted this before but never had a meaningful response by a creationist.
Making Genetic Networks Operate Robustly: Unintelligent Non-design Suffices, by Professor Garrett Odell (online lecture):
Page not found | UW Video
Description: Mathematical computer models of two ancient and famous genetic networks act early in embryos of many different species to determine the body plan. Models revealed these networks to be astonishingly robust, despite their 'unintelligent design.' This examines the use of mathematical models to shed light on how biological, pattern-forming gene networks operate and how thoughtless, haphazard, non-design produces networks whose robustness seems inspired, begging the question what else unintelligent non-design might be capable of.
What this does is show how those massive odds against evolution that some folks calculate (or make up) are not an accurate model of what is really going on.
But then creationists don't seem to care if their models are accurate as long as they mirror the correct dogma.
(Aside: a creationist on another website was fond of telling us the odds against evolution were 1720. He couldn't understand why we laughed at him.)

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Message 229 of 365 (652206)
02-12-2012 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by Buzsaw
02-12-2012 10:54 PM


A simple point
Top ten signs you're a foolish athiest? One sign is what some athiest types are posting on this thread.
Buz, folks are trying to get you to realize that the exact origin of life is immaterial to the subsequent evolution of life.
Posters have tried in quite a few ways to explain this point, but you are unwilling to accept it.
Why are you so resistant to this concept? Is there some particular dogma that makes you unwilling to accept this? Perhaps if you explained the source of your resistance it would help the discussion.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 309 of 365 (652857)
02-16-2012 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 300 by Taq
02-16-2012 12:21 PM


You can't be serious...
Buzsaw seems to be arguing that in order for evolution to be true that life had to come about through abiogenesis. Therefore, by demonstrating the "impossibility" of abiogenesis one can falsify evolution. Buzsaw also seems to be arguing that the lack of any solid theory within abiogenesis also means that evolution is lacking support as well.
You can't be serious!
Not even Buz would argue something that convoluted and silly!
(Would he ??????)

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Message 361 of 365 (653142)
02-18-2012 2:18 PM


Summary
This thread wasn't a complete waste of time.
It served to illustrate, once again, the irrationality and anti-science mentality of the more fervent creationists.
Their motto should be, "Reality be damned!"

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

  
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