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Rahvin
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Message 153 of 164 (677844)
11-01-2012 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by foreveryoung
11-01-2012 6:49 PM


Re: Thrive???????
All plants need CO2 to live. That is my evidence.
By that logic:
Global warming > melting polar ice caps > more water > all people need water to live > thriving people.
I don't particularly want to debate you on whether climate change is due to human influence, simply because I think that at this point that fact is moot - it doesn't matter whether humans are causing it, we have to deal with it at this point whether we're the cause or not.
The problem of climate change is that the climate of the Earth is not simple...and therefore simple predictions like "more CO2 > more plants > more food" just don't matter.
The various species (all forms of life) that inhabit the Earth's biosphere are specifically adapted to their climate. Changes in local environments lead to mass migrations and die-offs...but when we take the scale global, we see all hell break loose. The biosphere is a complex set of interrelated and interdependent balanced ecosystems.
Let's provide a single example:
In the Gulf of Mexico today, there are "dead zones." These "dead zones" were not caused by the recent oil spills - they are older than that.
They are the result of algae blooms - increased plant growth due to excess fertilizer runoff, basically - not terribly different from what one would imagine if increased atmospheric CO2 actually leads directly to increased plant growth.
The problem is that plants, including algae, produce oxygen.
THis is a problem because oxygen (beyond a certain level) is toxic... as well as the fact that the process is unrestrained and the algae consume all of the CO2 in the "dead zones" until all other plants die off.
The result is that the ecosystem in these regions is completely disrupted from the ground up, killing everything in hundred-mile areas of the ocean. All from an unintended and unforseen consequence of using fertilizer to grow more crops for humans.
What will the results of increased CO2 in the atmosphere be, leaving aside the greenhouse effect? I don't know, and neither do you, except that we know that it will disrupt the delicate balance of a complex series of interdependent ecologies upon which human life depends.

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