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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Welcome home, glad you came and look forward to your finally learning the truth.
We determine the same way that we determined that you are descended from earlier primates; by looking at the physical evidence. Remember the evolution of what was to become whales was worked out before DNA was a tool, but it has helped confirm the relationship.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Maybe the land-resources were getting all eaten by other animals or there was a drought so they took advantage of water resources. Maybe there was too much predation on land, and far less at sea so they adapted to live in the water, and fight in the water. Remember that it is unlikely anything happened quickly and that the critters diverged gradually. The important point is that it is divergence of a population into two populations that we are talking about.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Speaking as a Christian, I do not think the comments were at all uncalled for and in fact such comments are not just justified but need to be heard more often.
Creationism and Intelligent Design are the products of the Christian Cult of Ignorance and one characteristic of that is that there is no culture of honesty similar to what is found in science. Edited by jar, : appalin spallinAnyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Are you claiming that 49,920 transition steps are missing?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Remember that you are talking about 50 to 60 million years for closing the Tethys Ocean, maybe longer.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I am even willing to drop down to 10 million years, but consider even that.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Drudge writes: The only "use" the theory of evolution has in atheist theology, where it may well be "essential" as a means to become, as Dawkins put it, "intellectually fulfilled". Yet again you are simply showing your utter ignorance. All of the major Christian sects oppose the nonsense that is Creationism and Intelligent design as well as the attempts to try to pretend either is science. It is not simply atheists that support both the fact of evolution and the Theory of Evolution as the only explanation for what is seen in reality.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Dredge writes: Can you point out where I said Creationism is science, please. And I've never mentioned Intelligent Design. Whether you mention Creationism or Intelligent design has nothing to do with the fact that all of the major Cristian denominations acknowledge both the fact of evolution and that the Theory of Evolution is the only explanation for the reality seen. There are NO competing theories that can explain the reality of living critters seen today or in the past.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If you can show where I lied please do so.
Whether you mention Creationism or Intelligent design has nothing to do with the fact that all of the major Cristian denominations acknowledge both the fact of evolution and that the Theory of Evolution is the only explanation for the reality seen. There are NO competing theories that can explain the reality of living critters seen today or in the past. Remember, on this board we can easily sort all of our responses in a thread and so see exactly what we said in that thread. Edited by jar, : add last line as a clue to the clueless
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yes, you are free to remain ignorant. Yet the fact remains that the Roman Catholic church is another of the major denominations that stands against the nonsense of Creationism or Intelligent design being included in science education.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Dredge writes: Some creation scientists have suggested that genetics, as you allude to, will eventually prove that macroevolution is impossible. there are no Creation Scientists and cannot be Creation Scientists. Anyone claiming to be a Creation Scientists is by definition a liar.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Dredge writes: What I need is an example of how the belief that all life evolved from a single-cell organism (macroevolution) is useful. To the best of my knowledge no one but Creationists would ever say something that silly or misuse terms so completely.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Dredge writes: Actually, you are technicaly correct when you say that there are no creation scientists, since creation lies outside the realm of the scientific method and is therefore not science. Instead of using the term, "creation scientist", in future I shall endeavour to use something like, "scientists who believe in creation". That would be better but still meaningless and worthless.
Dredge writes: But the belief that all life evolved from a single-cell organism also lies beyond the realm of the scientific method and is therefore not science, so if there is no such thing as a "creation scientist" there is also no such thing as a "evolution scientist" either. And that is simply another really ignorant statement as expected. How life began has absolutely nothing to do with either the fact of evolution or that the Theory of Evolution is the only explanation for what is sen in reality. And that still has nothing to do with the fact that whale evolution is great support for both the fact that evolution happens and that the Theory of Evolution is the only explanation for the reality seen around us.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And even abiogenesis does not say "that all life evolved from a single-cell organism" or the fact that whale evolution is great support for both the fact that evolution happens and that the Theory of Evolution is the only explanation for the reality seen around us.
I really have to wonder if you have any point?
Dredge writes: How do you apply the scientific method to confirm the theory that all life evolved from a single-cell organism? First, you find someone other than a Creationist that thinks there is such a theory. The first step would be for you to learn some basic terminology; what a theory is, what a hypothesis is, you know, the stuff taught in elementary school. Then you try to post something that has some relation to the topic. Edited by jar, : hit wrong key.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Dredge writes: Having lost your initial argument, you've now moved the goal posts from what the Catholic Church officially teaches to what you think is taught in "science education". Sorry but I lost no such argument. Yes, Roman Catholicism allows people to continue holding absurd positions like Creationism but it still is among the denominations where representatives have publicly opposed teaching Creation Science in public schools. Yes, you are way off topic. However the important information is that evolution is a fact and the Theory of Evolution is the only explanation for what is seen in reality, that whale evolution is a great example and the literal account found in Genesis 1 has been refuted by reality and is also contradicted by the other account found in Genesis 2. Yes, people are free to remain ignorant.
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