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Omnivorous
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Message 25 of 51 (639822)
11-04-2011 10:22 AM


Power back last night.
We managed well because we have good winter camping gear, including LED lanterns, propane stove, ventless propane tent heater (enough to keep one room warm), and lots of stored potable water (well--no power, no water) and dried foods.
Fortunately, it didn't get cold enough to threaten the plumbing. I'm installing a drain and drain hose in the basement this weekend so we can clear all water when this happens again mid-winter and the pipes threaten to freeze. Nearly all my neighbors have emergency generators, most of them illegally and unsafely wired.
We've spent almost two weeks out of the past two months without power. I'm calculating the savings in electricity and oil, searching for a silver lining.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Omnivorous
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Message 26 of 51 (639823)
11-04-2011 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by Buzsaw
11-04-2011 12:59 AM


Re: RE; Climate Change
Be sure to let your grandchildren know how cheerfully you gambled with their patrimony.

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Omnivorous
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Message 28 of 51 (639826)
11-04-2011 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by jar
10-31-2011 1:11 PM


Re: whats changed?
Most of our damage in CT came from trees.
The state has massively reforested since the 18th and 19th century clearings for agriculture. Since the native tribes frequently burned off hunting ground understories, outside cities the state is probably more heavily forested than at any time since the arrival of homo sapiens.
The past few GOP state administrations progressively (sic) cut state and utility budgets for tree trimming and removal on utility rights-of-way, largely to dodge the clear necessity of raising taxes and/or rates. Much of our once-productive infrastructure is crumbling for the same reason. A Democratic governor has raised taxes slightly on the wealthy (and nearly everyone else)--unfortunately, the neglect continued so long even the larger budget will probably be inadequate. Line crews are at about a third of the staffing level of a few decades ago: we have to import out-of-state contractors to restore service, spending many times the expense of regular maintenance. It's good for private corporations, though.
This scenario is, of course, a standard neo-conservative tactic: cut taxes on the wealthy and corporate to starve government and fracture services to prove government doesn't work so that people will support further cuts favoring the wealthy and the corporate. Then when things get so bad a Democrat takes office, smear them as tax-and-spend liberals for trying to restore the commonweal--and demand to know why they can't repair a decade of neglect in one year.
Works pretty well. I'm glad I'm old, because I weary of it.
Our especially prolonged outage this time around was partly due to large transmissions lines being taken down by older (100-150') trees that were outside the high-tension corridor rights-of-way established among less mature forests.
I'm a certified tree hugger, but that classic New England flavor of roads winding through a tunnel of trees is a recipe for disaster.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 29 of 51 (639827)
11-04-2011 10:47 AM
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11-04-2011 10:33 AM


That's an excellent idea, frako. I'll look into it.

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Omnivorous
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Message 31 of 51 (639838)
11-04-2011 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by frako
11-04-2011 11:20 AM


My oil furnace has electronic ignition. Whatever source I supply will have to handle that, the hot water impeller, and the four zone thermostats and valves. I think the oil line is gravity fed. I installed a high efficiency electronically controlled motor last year; I think its power demands are small.
I'm pretty sure there is a single line to the furnace from the panel for everything. A simple switch or some bypass wiring should do the trick.
The solution is practical for emergency use, I think. I'll check the amps at the panel--even if I need a deep cycle marine battery, it's a cheaper and greener solution then a gas or diesel generator: no CO, no tanks of gas or diesel, easy setup and maintenance. I could always add a charge controller and solar panel later which would let me recharge the furnace battery and my LED lanterns.
I really appreciate the idea. I'll let you know how it goes.
Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given.

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Message 34 of 51 (639854)
11-04-2011 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Percy
11-04-2011 12:33 PM


Percy writes:
Any ideas for those of us with forced hot air?
Resist.

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Message 42 of 51 (639891)
11-04-2011 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by frako
11-04-2011 2:59 PM


frako writes:
America seems to be lacking behind
As Percy suggested, we've got lots of behind.
Take a tour of Europe, then come to the U.S.--ride our trains, drive our roads, shake with fear on our bridges and observe our crumbling cities.
You'll think you've traveled into the past.

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Omnivorous
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Message 45 of 51 (639895)
11-04-2011 5:09 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by hooah212002
11-04-2011 4:38 PM


hooah21202 writes:
Oh come on, it's not fair to compare the rest of the US to Detroit.
Detroit R U.S.

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Message 50 of 51 (639924)
11-04-2011 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Buzsaw
11-04-2011 6:35 PM


Re: Not Bad Here
Buz writes:
Relatively few have died via falling bridges.
How relatively Christian of you.

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Omnivorous
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Message 51 of 51 (639929)
11-04-2011 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Buzsaw
11-04-2011 6:35 PM


Re: Not Bad Here
Buz writes:
LoL. Rails are practical in small countries having cities close together. In the US they are not.
Even your secular claims are nonsense.
Rail remains the most cost-effective means of moving freight in the U.S.
Can you provide some contrary evidence? Or do you just "believe"?

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