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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Can you break down the events in chronological order for us? And include the passages?
Like: Beginning: god creates earth (gen 1:1)Then all the adam and eve stuff, can and able and all that (Gen 2 - ?) We get to Noah, and the flood (gen 7...) This is where all the water is gathered in one place (Gen 1:9 or whatever) It looks like Pangea Then its devided in the days of Peleg (Gen 10:?) And then we get to all the other stuff in Gen 1? Am I close?
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I hope this is what you was asking for. Yes, thank you.
2. The history of Genesis 1:1 is given in Genesis 2:4 through Genesis 4:25. What do you make of Genesis 4:26?
quote: Which ties directly to Gen 5:1-6
quote: Gen 5 is talking about the day that god made man in his image, which would be during the seven days of Moses, right? But that contradicts the history of Gen 1:1 if you don't remove Gen 4:26 from it. Is that why you don't include it? Because it messes up your story?
4. About 1700 years pass and man is wicked and God decides to remove them from among the living, but Noah found grace in the eyes of God. Genesis 6:8 Noah came from Lamech, who came from Methuselah, who came from Enoch, who came from Jared, who came from Mahalaleel, who came from Cainan, who came from Enos, who came from Seth, who came from Adam. Gen 4:25 says that Adam had Seth because Cain killed Abel. But according to your story, those are seperate peoples', one in the history of Gen 1:1 and one from the seven days of Moses. What do you make of this contradiction?
5. At this time all the water is still gathered into one place as it was in Genesis 1:9, 10 with the dry land protruding out of the water. So the Noahic flood happened during the seven days of Moses? And that's what caused the state of the earth in Gen 1:2? And then all the rest of Genesis also happened during those seven days? All the way through to Abraham and all that? ABE: From Message 101:
Scientist and others say Science says there was no global flood. But without knowing the geography of the Earth at the time of the flood no conclusion can be reached. The earth has never been covered in water since humans existed. That's a scientific fact that contradicts the flood story.
Pangea existed. Water in one place and dry land in one place. Are you claiming there was no inland water on Pangea? Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
We been down that rabbit hole Yeah, you ran away from it last time too.
and if you want to discuss it again take your post and start a thread and we will discuss it. Seems to be the exact topic here... but I understand you wanting to avoid the refutations of your story. Anyways, I'm still curious about how the other parts fit in:
quote: Where does all the rest of Genesis fit within your story? You could also address these parts:
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As I said the genealogy of the man created in the likeness of God has nothing to do with the Flood. Sure it does, you've made it so. You're placing the flood between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2. But doing that messes up the continuity and consistancy of the story, so the premise that your basing the rest of your story on is flawed from the get go.
Catholic Scientist writes: Anyways, I'm still curious about how the other parts fit in:
quote: Where does all the rest of Genesis fit within your story? Where did you get this quote from? Who are you quoting? I'm quoting myself, from Message 102. You replied to it, but you didn't answer the questions.
Catholic Scientist writes: The earth has never been covered in water since humans existed. That's a scientific fact that contradicts the flood story. You care to present the facts that support your assertion? Humans have been around for a couple hundred thousand years. The last time the earth was anywhere near covered in water was millions of years ago. Alo, humans lack the genetic bottleneck that would be present after a global flood during their existence.
Catholic Scientist writes: Are you claiming there was no inland water on Pangea? No I made no such claim. You said this:
quote: And also you've been claiming that for the water to be in one place, there cannot be and landlocked water in the land. For pangea to be both water and land in one place, there cannot be any landlocked water on pangea.
But these people do.
Here Click animation. Um, no. Here's the start of the animation:
Or were you just confused because it was all colored yellow before you start it?
That one gets us to this animation:
Again we can see land-locked water at the beginning.
Here Scroll down to CONTINENTAL DRIFT. Pfft, that one is a hand-drawn cartoon of pangea, but nonetheless, it contains land-locked water. I've added some arrows to help you find them:
Everyone of those show all the water in one place and all the land mass in one place with no landlocked bodies of water. No, its the exact opposite, everone of those shows landlocked water on pangea. By your own evidence, you have been proven wrong. QED.
Kinda matches Genesis 1:9, 10 with all the water in one place with a patch of dry land protuding up out of the water. Kinda, but not really. And having all the water in one place does not necessitate all the land being in one place. Two islands in a sea with no landlocked water would have all the water in one place.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
According to the text being discussed the water was all in one place which would have put the dry land that protruded up out of it in one place. No, not necessarily. It could have looked like this:
All the water is in one place but the land is in two places.
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Catholic Scientist writes: All the water is in one place but the land is in two places. I only have one problem wih your presentation.
quote: That says He called the dry land Earth. He did not call the dry lands Earths. I didn't use the word "lands" either, and yet my sentance made perfect sense. The land (singular) was in two places. Now, onto to Message 124 where your whole story is refuted.
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But one island would be called land, two islands would be called lands. That's retarded. You should know this: your posts read as if they lack any sincerity at all.
Then why are you saying I put the flood between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2? I thought that's where you put it... that the Flood is how the earth go to the state that it was in during Gen 1:2. But if not, then I was wrong. Its not as if your story makes any sense, or is easy to follow. It jumps all over the place.
Catholic Scientist writes: Humans have been around for a couple hundred thousand years. I think you are off by a few trillion years or more. Humans are the apes that evolved here on Earth over the last coupla hundred thousand years. Pfft, trillions of years...
Why would there be a bottleneck? In Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." God created mankind male and female created He them. It don't say how many he created just that he created mankind male and female. There may have been a thousand. Yeah, or they're may have been two seperately created Earths. You're just inserting your pre-conceived notions into the text. Its the same old game you always play: obfuscate the facts into meaninglessness so you can claim 'see, you can't prove me wrong'. You're strategy here, to avoid having your personal Flood theory refuted, is to hide it away in an untouchable place so that you cannot be presented any evidence against it. That's pathetic. But as anyone can see, you're whole story has already been refuted by the geneology of the characters being contradictory when placed in the order you place them in. So you're already wrong from the get go.
No the picture you have is after you have moved the animation bar to start the animation. Before you moved the animation bar to start the breakup there was no water, as anyone can see. Yeah, its inconsistant. All the shapes of the lanlocked water are there, but they're just colored yellow instead of blue, once you start the animation, though, they are blue.
The third one does have one body of land locked water Yeah, well, you know what: Its showing Lake Victoria, and that didn't form until about 400,000 years ago, so there's no way that it could have been on pangea... My point is that cartoons of pangea cannot be used to show that there was no landlocked water in it. This is ridiculous.
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