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nator
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Message 14 of 26 (147432)
10-05-2004 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by arachnophilia
10-04-2004 3:37 AM


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look at the face on mars. it looks designed, but it wasn't.
...and depending upon the lighting angle, it doesn't even look designed:

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 15 of 26 (147433)
10-05-2004 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by mike the wiz
10-04-2004 12:57 PM


Re: Designer will exist - regardless of facts
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Yesterday I seen a funny cloud coming my way, I could have sworn it was an angel but it wasn't - it was just a cloud, and that's that. Thinking more about this - deep down I knew it was a cloud, I just wanted it to be some big supernatural entity, but it wasn't - it was a cloud.
hmmmm.....

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nator
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Message 16 of 26 (147438)
10-05-2004 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by agnostic
10-05-2004 7:56 AM


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This forum is dominated by a dozen, sharp thinking scholars, who will put you down you and call you ignorant if you think out of their highly scientific mind-set.
Hmm, considering that this topic is entitled "Is a Concept of a Designer unscientific?", perhaps it is not so shocking that we would be discussing issues using "the scientific mindset"?
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This is only you first post and you've already been insulted by "betraying a staggering ignorance of scientific method" How rude and unwelcoming!
It was a direct statement to be sure. It was also true. However the OP was not stated in tentative terms, especially. Not everyone who is a newbie here is a newbie to the debate.
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For someone who has made an average of 10 posts a day for 17 months (yes over 6000) I would expect a little more consideration for a newbie.
I think the responses have been, by and large, perfectly fine and appropriate for a debate forum such as this. Could they have been gentler? Perhaps. I don't think they were out of line, however.
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A designer could be considered scientific if "he" fine tuned the universal constants/ laws of physics, i.e. the speed of light, the mass of sub atomic particles, the number of atoms, the strenght of gravity etc.
This is nonsensical, really.
If a Designer/god was responsible for the nature of the universe, it dosn't mean it is observable, testable, nor falsifiable.

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nator
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Message 21 of 26 (148874)
10-10-2004 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by agnostic
10-08-2004 9:15 AM


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Currently there is not, and there never will be a scientific test to conclude with 100% certainty that our universe was not designed.
True, but meaningless for several reasons;
1) There is not and never will be a scientific test that will allow us to conclude anything with 100% certainty.
2) You cannot ever prove a negative.
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Therefore, the concept of a designer is highly unscientific - i.e. completely magical. (I don't beleive in magic because defies the laws of physics)
Well, the concept of a designer could be quite scientific as long as the designer isn't supernatural. It is also true that one could scientifically test any supernatural claim for effects in the natural world.
What we understand as "magic" might just be superior beings with very advanced technology.

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