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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Again as I said on the previous thread, all you have are anecdotes. Why don't you go find some evidence that more people are converting to Christianity than are converting to Islam, Then come back and post something that supports your assertion.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
I wasn't really a practicing Catholic so im not even sure it's considered a conversion from catholicism to Christianity.
So Catholics are not Christians?
My point in showing that Muslims in particular (although other religions are converting to Christianity also) convert more to Christianity than the other way around
But alas you provide absolutely no evidence for this assertion. Just because you continue to say it does not make it so. Provide evidence and someone might believe you.
is to show Christianity is more believable as a faith than Islam and IMO gives some validity to the Bible and Christianity as a whole.
Why?Actually your opinion has no affect on reality. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Joel C. Rosenberg?? Really. He writes christian end time thrillers. He is an end time nutball.
Has Dr Adaquate lived in the Mideast for three months as He, his wife and kids did?
Three months? Three whole months? Where in the mideast? Egypt? Syria?, Iraq? or maybe Israel.
Rosenberg opened a political consultancy business, which he ran until 2000, advising former Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Natan Sharansky and then-former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu where he garnered much of his information on the Middle East that he would later use in his books
Source I have spent 3 months in Israel. I guess that makes me a mideast expert too. I will tell Joel the same thing as you. Provide evidence and tell us why it matters.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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I think Chuck has the same issue with evidence that Buz does. He truly does not understand what the word means and what we are asking for when we ask for evidence. I think this will be a recurring problem here.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
After all, you can't convert a Christian to Christianity - that's just not a conversion.
Alas, seemingly according to Chuckie you can.
Chuckie writes:
Message 16 conversion from catholicism to Christianity Seemingly he would not count Catholics as Christians, but I think most people do.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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Im not at ALL saying all Catholics are not Christians.
Some people just call themselves christians, it doesn't make it so, sorry. Im talking about Bible believing Christians who know the truth. Im talking #1's on the Dawkins scale. Not some feel good legalistic sunday Chistain who calls themselves a Christian. or just happen to grow up in a Christian home. Maybe you should read about the No True Scotsman Fallacy Ok, fine, well you can't disporve claims by saying it's not true like everyone here is doing. without actually reading and researching what I posted. We read them. All you posted were anecdotes. No evidence. There is nothing to research. Even if it is true, how does that make Christianity any more "true" than other religions?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
I think we are hitting our heads against the wall, because fundamentalists of all stripes are going to put more credence on Testimony than evidence.
quote:Source When Chuck accepts Testimony over evidence, he also has a tendency to throw in qualifiers like "more" and "most" that he is incapable of backing up with evidence. We have seen that here and on another thread where he claimed that "most" religions had stolen their creation story from the christian bible. In both threads he was incapable of supporting either claim. The nut of the problem is that as a fundie he accepts testimony over evidence. Not sure how we get around that. P.S. It is "rein", not "reign".Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Too, I was reading on one site I ran across that a lot of people were converting to Islam in Packistan (IIRC) out of fear and persecution rather than because they thought it was true.
Care to share the site with us so we can see what kind of sources they use. Also, the words "a lot" are very relative. Is "a lot" 10? 100? 1000? 10,000? more?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Yes I see that point(and acknowledge it is a very good point), but I really wonder what is meant by "a lot". This is by no means meant to be an attack on CS or to paint him into a corner. The term "a lot " is very subjective and means different things to different people. I wonder how the site he mentions quantifies the number of conversions.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
There's this awesome new site call "Google" where you can type in things like "Christiand converting to Islam" and find all kinds of pages to read all kinds of stuff on. I did a search and found a few sites. I was wondering what you had found. I did not want to criticize your source when I did not know your source. I am not at all doubting there are people in Pakistan converting to Islam from Christianity and other religions. It seems all of the articles I found on Google point to this article as their original source. The article says
quote: Not sure how anyone gets a lot from that.
Care to contribute to the discussion in any way at all? Why do I even try to engage you at all?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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I was just sayin'... the point didn't have anything to do with the actual number.
I disagree there is a relevance here. If the true number is not "a lot" then your point does not have the significance you think it does and Chuck could turn that around and use the argument against you. There may be a miniscule # or people converting out of fear or there may be a huge #. As of yet we have very little data.
and you want my source for an irrelevancy so you can criticize the source. Not at all but when you use terms like "a lot" I want to see the data. It isn't my problem if you do not want to provide anything to back up you statements. I just feel it is bad form to make a statement that has nothing factual to back it up. Your use of the term "a lot" was a poor choice considering the data you seem to have had. Lets look at your original comment
Too, I was reading on one site I ran across that a lot of people were converting to Islam in Packistan (IIRC) out of fear and persecution rather than because they thought it was true. If the data does not show that there is "a lot" converting out of fear but instead because they felt Islam was true than your point is pointless. As to the rest of your comments. They are not worth responding to. If you want to go off topic please take it elsewhere.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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Now isnt that easier than being rude? I disagree on the relevance issue, but you make a good argument.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
I just happen to think few more muslims are converting to christianity than the other way around.
I know this has been asked repeatedly, but will venture to ask again. Even if this premise were true(and has been pointed out you have no evidence for, just anecdotes), what does it mean? Does this somehow make your flavour of Christianity(as you seem to feel Catholics, and I assume other "christian" groups you do not agree with, are not Christians) is some how more "true". ABE I see you used the phrase "a few" here. Seems you are trying to back pedal a little form your earlier statements. So if even one more Moslem converts to Christianity then the reverse, does Christianity "win"? Edited by Theodoric, : Final thoughtFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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