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Chuck77
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Message 118 of 140 (638404)
10-22-2011 12:45 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by Rahvin
10-21-2011 5:08 PM


spitir, soul, body
Yeah, we all have souls. We are a spirit, we live in a body, and we possess a soul.
My spirit is alive to God. Before I got saved it was dead to God. I was ruled by my body and soul.
Now, that im born again, I control it, my soul( emotions, will, intellect) and my body. When I get to Heaven, I will have even more control as all will be in agreement and not fighting against eachother. My spirit man is at war with my flesh(body) and my soul(emotions, will, intellect) needs to be renewed daily with the word of God.

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Chuck77
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Message 119 of 140 (638405)
10-22-2011 12:52 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by Jazzns
10-21-2011 3:27 PM


Re: Matters of ultimate importance?
Hi Jazzns. I was going to chime in on your questions to GDR but changed my mind since I havn't contributed here all that much, nor (more importantly) read all of your OP's. So, nevermind.
Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.
Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.

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Chuck77
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Message 121 of 140 (638411)
10-22-2011 1:42 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by Rahvin
10-21-2011 5:08 PM


Re: Altruism - The Big Mac Effect
Rahvin, to make it a little more clear about what I mean.
(forgive me for talking so as a matter of factly btw).
Just like God is a spirit, He represents the Spirit. Jesus represent the body, and the Holy spirit the soul. A triune being. The trinity.
We are three dementional too. Spirit, soul, body.
Before I got saved, my spirit man was dead to God. I was ruled by my emotions, my will, my feelings, my body. Now that im born again the spirit man is alive but my body and soul are not new like my spirit is. So i need to "renew" my mind with the word (Bible) and my body is not redemed but dying and will die, so it will always be at war with my spirit man.
IOW, my mind, will emotions(soul) and my body teamed up on me before I got saved. Now, my spirit man is involved. It's a battle and a fight and sometimes I lose but the more I feed my soul with what God says about me and my situations the more it obeys.
So, when I get to heaven, I will be functioning as a complete being. A new body, my already new spirit and a restored soul. Everything will be functioning as perfectly as God created us to function. We will have memories, emotions, feelinfs, but won;t be ruled by them, they will be a good thing.
Althought we will not "feel" the same then as we do now. It will be a different kind of thinking and feeling. That's enough for now. It will be different for everyone. The people not in Heaven will not be funtioning the same as the people in Heaven, also.
I can probably make a better case for the soul, minus just saying we have a soul and saying what I said, but for now I just wanted to let you know you have a soul. Aren't you excited?
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Chuck77
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Message 122 of 140 (638412)
10-22-2011 1:44 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by Jazzns
10-22-2011 1:22 AM


Re: Matters of ultimate importance?
Jazzns writes:
but I am curious about yours too.
Ok, thanks Jazzns. I'll read some more of your comments first.

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Chuck77
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Message 123 of 140 (638414)
10-22-2011 2:48 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by Rahvin
10-21-2011 5:08 PM


Re: Altruism - The Big Mac Effect
Rahvin writes:
The Evangelical movement, immensely popular here in the States, focuses on the fate of the soul, independently of the physical resurrection, to a very strong degree.
They are independant of one another, according to Scripture.
Here are some Scripture verses:
Matthew 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matthew 16:26
For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?
Acts 2:27
For You will not leave my soul in Hades, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
Acts 2:31
he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.
1 Thessalonians 5:23
[ Blessing and Admonition ] Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
James 5:20
let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.
1 Peter 2:11
[ Living Before the World ] Beloved, I beg you as sojourners and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts which war against the soul,
3 John 1:2
Beloved, I pray that you may prosper in all things and be in health, just as your soul prospers.
That one particular verse is the one I prayed over my shoulder, that was healed.
Revelation 18:13
and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and souls of men.
The battle for the soul is over once someone accepts Christ. There is a distinction in Scripture about our soul and body and spirit.
Here are a few about the body:
1 Corinthians 15:40
There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
2 Corinthians 5:1-3
For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked.
2 Peter 1:13-14
Yes, I think it is right, as long as I am in this tent, to stir you up by reminding you, knowing that shortly I must put off my tent, just as our Lord Jesus Christ showed me.
2 Corinthians 5:4-5
4 For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. 5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee
1 Corinthians 15:49
And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.
1 Corinthians 15:51-53
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed - in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Here's a long one but good:
1 Corinthians 15:35-58
But someone will say, How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come? Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies. And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grainperhaps wheat or some other grain. But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body. All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam became a living being. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven. As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: Death is swallowed up in victory.
O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?
The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.
1 Corinthians 15:42-44
The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Well, that's enough. Clearly Scripture teaches a new body is on the way to go with our soul and spirit.
Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.

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