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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I doubt we will ever be so lucky as to run out of Creationists and Intelligent Design advocates. It would be nice and certainly something to hope for though.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Dawn Bertot writes: You didn't say anything about the topic. Bolder-dash believes that diminishing creationist participation here is due to moderation bias that favors the evolution side. I believe that Dover had a chilling effect on creationism and ID, causing a dramatic decline in their efforts to educate their adherents, with the result that creationists who come here today like yourself are far less prepared to debate creation/evolution than their predecessors from the pre-Dover period. Thats the point percy, they werent debating creationism or ID as it is, they were debating, your misguided interpretation of those topics and responding to strawmen interpretations of fallcious arguments. If they had used my preparation, as you put it, the results would have been much different. My preparation has to do with simple rational and understanding. The secular fundamentalist evolutionist seeks to complicate its simplicity, to confuse not only the argument but simple minded persons As youve seen those tactics dont work with the basic rational approach Once youve frustrated not refuted, the simplicty of what is involved, a person can make a case for anything Dover and the predecessors started and finished in the wrong direction. this coupled with the fact that your side baited them in that direction, should be the only chilling fact to anyone Listen up Pecry. Most believers are not like Buz, ICANT myself and others. The reason you have us here and not a host of others is due to the fact that they do not see a need to debate the obvious. they look on you fellas as a curiousity, smile politely and move on. You know the ole, you shouldnt argue with a fool its not that youve won any arguments, its simply that there is no need to argue it past a certain point You really should think about doing it pubically, that is if you really think you have a case about ID and creationism and it not beign taught as science Dawn Bertot That is about as dumb a post as you have made yet, and you've made many a dumb post. This forum is about as public as it can get, Evolution has NOTHING to do with atheism and you have never even tried to present either the model or method that explains either the totally stupid ideas of Intelligent Design or Creationism. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
GDR writes: jar writes: That is about as dumb a post as you have made yet, and you've made many a dumb post. This forum is about as public as it can get, Evolution has NOTHING to do with atheism and you have never even tried to present either the model or method that explains either the totally stupid ideas of Intelligent Design or Creationism. It seems to me that this post is the reason there is so little debate from the creationist side. Using the terms dumb, stupid etc as part of an argument and then get a 5 rating for it, outlines the problem perfectly. Well I have no idea who gave it a five rating but the whole point is content, and Dawn's post was filled with factual errors and unsupported assertions. If someone does not want their posts called stupid then perhaps they should not post totally stupid assertions. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
GDR writes: Why have this forum if creationism is not a valid point of view?
Because there are still people that think creationism is a valid point of view. The purpose of this forum is to educate them so that they will understand why Creationism and Intelligent Design are simply NOT even possible, worthwhile or informative points of view. Notice I do not call all posts from Creationists or even Intelligent Design stupid and dumb, only those like Dawn's where they consistently continue to repeat false allegations and assertions after they have been shown conclusively to be false. The first time a totally false assertion is made it is most likely simply a matter of ***, but when the person continues to repeat patently false statements it moves beyond simple *** and into the realm of intentional trolling at best. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
There was no sarcasm or ridicule in my post, period.
I am always happy to discuss Creationism or Intelligent Design with anyone that is willing to actually hold a discussion. I do not think that either Dawn or Bolder fit that description based on the whole body of their posts. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
That is called a statement of fact. And notice, I then went on to point out exactly why I felt the content of his post merited that evaluation.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You have no position.
You have never presented the model or method that the asserted designer uses to interfere and influence life and genetics; and you have never presented any evidence such a critter as the Designer even exists. Until you do you have nothing. It really is that simple. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Bolder-dash writes: Yea right. And you immediately jumping on Dawn and saying that she didn't address the topic, while at the same time allowing others to call her ***, ill informed and illiterate without even batting an eye, has absolutely nothing to do with creationists leaving this site! And we are the irrational ones? Right
Do you understand that saying the content of a post is *** or *** is different than saying that the poster is *** or ***? Bright folk have been known to say really *** things at times. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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From the Clergy Project letter.
We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as one theory among others is to deliberately embrace scientific *** and transmit such *** to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth. Note the highlighted parts. Biblical Creationism is not simply bad science, it is lousy theology. As a Christian I must speak out against those who "deliberately embrace scientific *** and transmit such *** to our children". For those who are interested in what the CENSORED words are, I have provided a link to the source. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Did you read the quote from the Clergy Project Letter?
Is what I say any different than what is in the Clergy Project Letter? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Because their posts need to be countered.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
GDR writes: jar writes: Because their posts need to be countered. I'm saying the same thing over and over. I agree that their posts should be countered. All I'm saying is that they should be countered respectfully and I am trying to give the answer to the problem that was presented in the OP, which is the fact that there are few creationists left on this site. For that matter, I can go back and find all sorts of threads where there were absolutely zero posts by creationists, but where there were several posts in a row that gratuitously ridiculed creationists. What is the point of that? I do not believe I have ever ridiculed a creationist; only Creationism and Intelligent Design. Those two subjects deserve ridicule. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What is the method and model that explains how the Designer designs and influences the evolution of living critters or the method and model that explains how the creator creates critters?
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Evolution is a fact.
The Theory of Evolution describes the method and model for how evolution happens. It is genetic change caused by copy errors filtered by natural selection. What is the method and model that explains how the Designer designs and influences the evolution of living critters or the method and model that explains how the creator creates critters? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Buzsaw writes: Secularistic ToE and BB theory has it's claws deeply embedded in the schools. What are you talking about? Creationism has been outlawed from the schools, by and large, compared to what it was like during the days of our founders and most of the US's history. You do understand that the many of the people living today are no where near as uneducated, unenlightened, uninformed, unlearned, uneducated and unaware about the model and mechanisms of Evolution as even the best educated Founding Father. We have learned much since those days. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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