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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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The real fact is that regardless of disease, natural disasters, wars and famine, human population has never stopped growing. History proves that Humans are able to impede animal growth but never their own. Humans have shown that they are able to land on the moon, so why didn't we see people in the 1700's landing on the moon? What you ignore is the development of technology that is required for modern human population growth. This development starts quite slow, and is dependent on random inventions along the way to keep things moving. On top of that, you need a stable society that requires thousands of years of developing cultivars capable of sustaining a static population. You need enough food that people can devote their life to not growing food, and instead focusing on increasing our knowledge.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Even so, when Earth's population was 10,000 a single family did not require a stable society In those days, from all ethnic groups in Europe, there was always (at least) 1,000 inhabitants or more who were stable enough to only do what is best for their children. So how did they innoculate their children against diptheria?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
however that is not what reality tells us.
Since when have any of your statements been grounded in reality? Every one of your posts is made up from whole cloth.
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Especially because whoever brings up a theory (that places human beings living on the Earth 70 thousand years ago) should be able to explain it regardless of other persons words The fact that we find modern human skeletons that are 70,000 years old indicates that there were modern humans around 70,000 years ago. We tend to call this "evidence", something which you seem unfamiliar with.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
CrazyDiamond7,
In the OP you stated: "The real fact is that regardless of disease, natural disasters, wars and famine, human population has never stopped growing." You have not demonstrated this fact. It is made up out of whole cloth. If this is your theory then you should be able to cite the evidence that supports it.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
However, there is a huge flaw that many don't want to see; Consider that most of our current technological advances have ocurred within the last 200 years, one could even go back to the last 1,000 years and it would still prove that the natural selection theory (in regards to the origin of this most recent version of Human beings) is incorrect. How is one related to the other? If I took a modern human baby and transported it to an island where it never came into contact with modern technology or any knowledge garnered over the last 5,000 years would that child be able to rediscover quantum mechanics in it's lifetime? At the same time, if that baby grew up in modern society with access to modern knowledge could that baby grow up to be a scientist who studies quantum mechanics? Obviously, this has nothing to do with natural selection directly. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
knowing that the left behind prototypes has nothing to do with ancestry
How do we know that? Evidence please.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
That a skeleton of left behind prototypes, dated at 30,000 years, has nothing to do with ancestry is evident; Were they placed on the Earth to constitute families, there would be found bodies of at least 2 families in a certain place, How do you determine if two bodies are from two families? What evidence are you using?
because humans tend to gather the dead bodies of their parents or children not too far from one another. What about nomadic people who migrate large distances in a single year? How did you determine that all of our ancestors followed the same practices as we do? Evidence please.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
The rest of the sentence clears up that it's a tendency; not a determined thing. Then all we have is your unevidenced assertion that 30,000 year old humans are not our ancestors. However, DNA can tell us if these 30,000 year old humans were our ancestors. Guess what? That work has been done.
quote: So I have evidence that 30,000 year old modern humans in Europe have descendants in Europe today. What evidence do you have to the contrary?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Proof of ancestry grounded in reality was not presented, for example, 2 skeletons; father and son or mother and her child.
I guess you missed one of my prior posts. Here it is again:
quote: 30,000 year old modern human skeletons found in Europe are the ancestors of modern Europeans as the DNA evidence demonstrates.
Contrary to expectations, history has demonstrated that there's no reason why it would have been impossible for Humans to have reached a population of 1 million persons in less than 20 thousand years, when the population was 10,000 But you are saying that this boom HAD TO HAPPEN 30,000 years ago, and since it didn't those human-like skeletons had to be from something other than modern humans.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Anyone's genetic combination might be a genealogical continuity of whoever it will be; and that is very different from a paternity test. False. Mitochondrial DNA extracted from Neanderthals from the same region and the same time period demonstrated that their mitochondrial lineages do not have a living representative in Europe. DNA sequencing is a paternity test, and it demonstrates that the population of modern humans 30,000 years ago are the ancestors of modern Europeans. ABE: Mitochondrial DNA actually serves more as a maternity test, but that is beside the point. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Either the popular meaning of the term 'paternity test' was distorted by the above reply
You are aware that they use DNA for paternity tests, aren't you? The DNA from anatomically modern humans (Cro-Magnon) 30,000 years ago demonstrates that they are the ancestors of modern Europeans in the same way that a DNA paternity test indicates paternity. What more do you want?
or it's actually saying 'Anyone of us might be a son or daughter of those Neanderthals' which is absurd. If you had paid attention you would have understood that the same tests showed that no living modern human carries neanderthal mitochondria. This shows a DISCONTINUITY between neanderthals and modern humans. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
regardless of the fact that no evidence was found that a skeleton of human prototype dated at 30,000 would have had a son or daughter But it is very strong evidence of a genetic continuity between the Cro-Magnon population and the modern population. What evidence do you have that there is no genetic continuity?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Acceptance — strong evidence - when you have the proof that 30,000 years ago there was Human life IN REPRODUCTION naturally and spontaneously [for example, the skeletons of two real relatives; father and son or a mother and her child] then that is the evidence of evolution. So you are assuming that Cro-Magnon populations were infertile until shown otherwise? Are you nuts?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
I guess I will go with my gut reaction. You are nuts.
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