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Topic: New Type of Ancient Human Found—Descendants Live Today?
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 31 of 209 (598464)
12-31-2010 8:53 AM
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Reply to: Message 28 by Jon
12-31-2010 12:52 AM
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Re: OOA: A Model of Migrations
Jon writes: What I disagree with is the claim that for genetic information from group A to get to population X a thousand miles away that some members of A must have traveled all the way to X and mated with some of X's members. This is one way for the genetic information to travel, but it is not the only way, and so reconstructing a pattern of genetic movement should not lead us to believe we are also reconstructing a pattern of actual people movement. And what are the other ways?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 34 of 209 (598481)
12-31-2010 11:56 AM
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Reply to: Message 32 by Jon
12-31-2010 11:32 AM
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Re: OOA: A Model of Migrations
I still don't see how that is different. Yes, you add an intermediate step, population "B", but it is still a migration model. Perhaps it is closer to the pony express than the telegraph but it is still a migration model.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 38 of 209 (598504)
12-31-2010 7:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 37 by Jon
12-31-2010 7:09 PM
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Re: OOA: A Model of Migrations
People.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 41 of 209 (598518)
12-31-2010 8:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 40 by Jon
12-31-2010 8:35 PM
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Re: OOA: A Model of Migrations
jon writes: Okay. That explains the 'what'. And the 'how'? On foot, step by step. Even if there is some interbreeding at the boundary of A ---> B unless your carry that through the whole population, of B, you need someone carrying the A gene set to walk all the way to the boundary of B ---> C to screw around.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 44 of 209 (598642)
01-01-2011 3:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 43 by Jon
01-01-2011 3:27 PM
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Re: OOA: A Model of Migrations
HUH?
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 50 of 209 (598799)
01-02-2011 5:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 49 by Jon
01-02-2011 5:01 PM
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Yeast is Yeast and Vest is Vest.
But our population boundaries aren't real; they're arbitrary. We don't actually have distinct and separate populations; we have just one. And we don't need massive migrations to move genes around within single populations. Huh? We are talking about relatively small populations spread over very large geographical distances.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 52 of 209 (598812)
01-02-2011 8:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 51 by Jon
01-02-2011 8:26 PM
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Re: Yeast is Yeast and Vest is Vest.
Of course the distances are both relevant and significant.
Jon writes: What is important is that we have a single population, whose status as a single population is maintained by regular and frequent interbreeding of neighboring groups (what we've been calling the smaller populations). So you have asserted, but that is all.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 71 of 209 (599004)
01-04-2011 4:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 70 by Nuggin
01-04-2011 4:43 PM
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Re: Five percent, though!
How did the existing populations get there?
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 135 of 209 (599517)
01-08-2011 11:37 AM
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Reply to: Message 134 by Jon
01-08-2011 11:34 AM
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Re: Continuity of the Species
Of course it's an issue. OOA has held for the longest time that sapiens, erectus, Neanderthals, etc. are all separate species. The new genetic evidence has disproven this claim. HUH? Is it not possible to distinguish Neanderthal remains from Hss?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 138 of 209 (599520)
01-08-2011 11:52 AM
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Reply to: Message 137 by Jon
01-08-2011 11:41 AM
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Re: Continuity of the Species
What makes you think it is the same species?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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