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Author Topic:   Evolution: Natural selection vs. Godly guidance
crashfrog
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Message 50 of 154 (588875)
10-28-2010 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by shadow71
10-28-2010 7:51 PM


Re: The Topic shadow, do you have anything related?
I argue that "natural selection" is not something you can prove, it is assumed that the changes in species are the result of natural slection, ie. by naturalists mechanisms.
But it's not assumed. It's defined that way - "natural selection" is the name given to the observation that, in every species on Earth, more individuals are born each generation than can possibly survive to reproductive adulthood, and that those that do survive and reproduce are not simply lucky, but survive by virtue of their unique traits and adaptations to their environment.
Nobody's doing the choosing, nobody's doing the selecting. Organisms are selecting themselves due to the (potentially fatal) interaction of the environment with their unique traits.
It's like asking - "if a meteor from outer space lands on your house and destroys you, who is guilty of your murder?" No one is. You're ascribing agency where none is present. Many things in the universe happen on their own, not because some entity willed them to occur. That is how natural selection happens. Nobody is doing the selecting; organisms are simply being selected.
Can you prove me wrong and you right? If so how.
If we can demonstrate that natural mechanisms can account for all the information present in DNA - and we can, and have - then your position may not be wrong but there's no reason to consider it right.
But even if the changes occur, which I agree they do, science cannot prove they are by natural means or supenatural means.
If natural means are sufficient, then what reason is there to believe in supernatural means? If there are no reasons to think that something is supernatural, why think that it is?

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crashfrog
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Message 54 of 154 (588881)
10-28-2010 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by nwr
10-28-2010 8:17 PM


Atheist evangelizing: "Have you considered the possibility that you might be wrong? Let's talk about it."
Christian evangelizing: "Accept Jesus as your lord and savior or we'll fucking kill you."

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