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shadow71 Member (Idle past 2965 days) Posts: 706 From: Joliet, il, USA Joined: |
Your theory tha t God is growing and thus had to grow from something lesser in order to be able to create what we see now is not compatabile with a supernatural being. The God of Catholicism is a God existing outside of space and time. This God is all knowing and therefore cannot grow, God is God for all time as we know time. God's Providence provides us with what we need if we use our free will to follow God. Creation in the sense of life is God's plan being carried out in what is called evolution by man. We cannot know and will never know the reason why God does something. Creatonists must get beyond the literal intrepretation of the bible in order to accept this continuining plan of God's creation. Science must bet beyond the belief that all things will be known to man. Science will discover what God has determined it will discover.
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shadow71 Member (Idle past 2965 days) Posts: 706 From: Joliet, il, USA Joined: |
DANEDOTCA writes
quote:I have seen reference on this board and in scientific writings by Richard Dawkins, Ernst Mayr and others that , if God designed the universe, God's design is defective etc. In your post you refer to God as being immature or inexperienced. If you are discussing the Supernatural, then I believe you have to accept the definition of supernatural. A supernatual being is all knowing, all powerful, all loving and eternal. By definition that being cannot design defectively or be immature or inexperienced. You cannot judge a supernatural being by human standards. I'm not saying you have to accept a supernatural being, but if you write about that being you must comply with the definition. Thanks Edited by shadow71, : No reason given.
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shadow71 Member (Idle past 2965 days) Posts: 706 From: Joliet, il, USA Joined: |
Granny magda wrote,
quote: Here is def of supernatural from Concise Oxford American Dictionary.("of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature: a supernatural being." Based on that defilnition can man judge a supernatural being? Man may know of a supernatual being by words of revelation, actions made know to man etc. but man can never judge a supernatural. If the supernatural is beyond scientific understanding how can man judge this being?
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shadow71 Member (Idle past 2965 days) Posts: 706 From: Joliet, il, USA Joined: |
ringo wrote,
quote: No, I am suggesting that you cannot judge a supernatural being. See definition in reply to granny magda.
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shadow71 Member (Idle past 2965 days) Posts: 706 From: Joliet, il, USA Joined: |
jar posts
quote: Can you give me an example of some of those "supernatural critters"?
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shadow71 Member (Idle past 2965 days) Posts: 706 From: Joliet, il, USA Joined: |
[quote]There's nothing in the definition you provided that has anything to do with judgement.
We can - and do - judge the creation as imperfect. The question is why is it imperfect?[quote/] How can we judge what we cannot understand?[
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shadow71 Member (Idle past 2965 days) Posts: 706 From: Joliet, il, USA Joined: |
granny magda writes,
quote: I gave the definition of a supernatural being from my belief in the God I believe in. I didn't think the defintion of a supernatural being was that important, assuming you would all know it was the God I believe in.You challenged me and I gave the definiton of a supernatural being from the dictionary I cited. I assumed that all would know I was referring to the God I have cited in the past, the God of Roman Catholicism. I didn't for a moment imagine that my post would revert to a definition of a supernatural being. Yes I do believe the God of the Roman Catholic church is beyond judgement by natural beings. Dawkins and Mayr when judging the design of a supernatural being, a christian God, had no problem with stating that they as mere mortals, could judge the supernatual being. HUBRIS is the work I use for them and all who believe they can judge God. Dawkins & Mayr fully knew who they were talking about when they judged God's design as defective. I say to them "god is god, you are not" OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message by continuing in this vein. AdminPD Edited by AdminPD, : Warning
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shadow71 Member (Idle past 2965 days) Posts: 706 From: Joliet, il, USA Joined: |
Dr. adequate posts,
quote: That is faith not judgement.
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shadow71 Member (Idle past 2965 days) Posts: 706 From: Joliet, il, USA Joined: |
ringo writes,
quote: The definition I posted from the dictionary states that a supernatural being is beyond the understanding of science. How can a natural being judge something he or she cannot understand, unless they are judging form their standards not a supernatural being's. So I am saying that a human cannot judge the creation of a supernatural being.
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shadow71 Member (Idle past 2965 days) Posts: 706 From: Joliet, il, USA Joined: |
coyote writes,
quote: Please read my initial post on this forum. I said if you accept the idea of a supernatural being.
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shadow71 Member (Idle past 2965 days) Posts: 706 From: Joliet, il, USA Joined: |
panda wrote,
quote: I do not consider murders, rapists, pedophiles, etc. supernatrual beings. So yes humans can judge human action. I spent my whole professional life in law.I think I am about posted out on this subject. OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message by continuing in this vein. AdminPD Edited by shadow71, : No reason given. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning
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shadow71 Member (Idle past 2965 days) Posts: 706 From: Joliet, il, USA Joined: |
granny madga writes,
quote: No they are stating an act of faith. I look at the universe, molecular biology etc and I am convinced that nature coluld not do this on its own. Thus I believe a God created all that we have.
quote: I see God's creation, I feel his love for me in what he has given me. If I beleved he wasevil I would not believe in God. What can I tell you?If you do not have faith you don't know what a person of faith is feeling. I may be wrong. But that is what I believe based on my life and experiences. I suggest for everyone, that they make a retreat for a week. Think about what they believe, read someone like Thomas Merton, I suggest "thoughts in solitude" and " Seven strory mountain", and I would hope you would feel the peace, humility, and joy that I fell about my life and my belief in God. I suggest a Trappist abbey, for a non directed retreat. Ok, enough preaching for me. OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message by continuing in this vein. AdminPD Edited by AdminPD, : Warning
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