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Message 28 of 101 (30827)
01-31-2003 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by DanskerMan
01-29-2003 5:55 PM


Sonnike, what is your definition of "animal"?
Mine is:
Biology Dictionary Online | BiologyOnline.com
Animal Kingdom
All animals on Earth are found in the animal kingdom taxonomic classification. Animals are divided into various subcategories to further define them, namely division, class, order, family, genus and species. Each classification matches similar organisms related physically, anatomically or behaviourally in some way. The similarities are closer as you move down the divisions, classes etc until unique species are defined in their own right.

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Message 29 of 101 (30829)
01-31-2003 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by DanskerMan
01-30-2003 9:40 AM


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Secondly, you have to read the book in context, what he is actually saying is that without God life is meaningless and we are no different than the animals (notice this is mainstream evolutionary thinking).
WRONG.
Evolution, and in fact, science, make no statement whatsoever about "meaning", if you mean a greater philosophical meaning.
Science ignores such questions and you are the one extrapolating inappropriate intentions.
We ARE different from all other animals, just like a cheetah is different from all other animals and an elephant is different from all other animals and a giraffe is different from all othe animals.
But we are all still animals.
We are animals with big, fancy, complex brains that allow us to do and think all of the things you list in your post about how we aren't animals.
Here are some reasons we ARE animals. We share these characteristics with many other creatures on the planet:
We have DNA that acts just like all other DNA
We are warm-blooded
We have hair
We die
We are born
We produce milk to feed our young
We consume food to live
We grow our babies in placentas
We get similar diseases to other animals
We have the same body basic plan as all other animals

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Message 35 of 101 (31037)
02-02-2003 10:11 AM
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02-01-2003 1:15 AM


I agree that I stuck mostly to mammal characteristics, but I thought that would be enough to make my argument.

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Message 39 of 101 (31138)
02-03-2003 12:05 PM
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02-03-2003 11:55 AM


Sure, we are primates.
We are primates with immensely complex brains capable of thinking we are somehow not animals.
Each species of animal is special and different and wonderful. We homo sapiens sapiens are wonderful creatures that have certain abilities. Cheetahs are also wonderful and special and have certain abilities which are different from ours. The same can be said for every single species on our planet.
Why this insecurity about our own species, sonnikke? Why is it so terrible to be part of this great tree of life? We are wonderous and actually I do think we are unique and special. We are able to overcome many of our physical weaknesses (when compared with other animals) because we are able to make technology, and this is because of our brains.
However, I really don't understand how our having these big fancy brains makes us stop being animals.
Again, what is your definition of "animal" and how is it that humans are not?
Put another way, if we are not animals, why do we share so many characteristics of so many other species on the planet?
[This message has been edited by schrafinator, 02-03-2003]

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Message 69 of 101 (31868)
02-10-2003 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by DanskerMan
02-10-2003 12:37 AM


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I have been on both sides of the fence, but when I dug deeper it became clear to me that an old world just doesn't fit with the evidence out there. That is just one example.
So, considering that all of the numerous radiometroic dating methods used by Geologists are consistent with one another; IOW, they show the same age ranges when the same rock is tested by each method, why do you doubt their accuracy?
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My point is (whether it's clear or not, I don't know) that there's a conflict of interest with perhaps all parties involved. Evolutionary science depends on old ages,
Please explain how all of the various dating methods can be flawed in such a precise way as to be consistent with one another.
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uniformitarionism,
What is the evidence that any of the forces of the universe have been significantly different at any time in the past?
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and arguably, a God-less universe.
Wow, all of those religious scientists out there will be surprised to know that they are actually Athiests.
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Therefore, any evidence "science" gathers that isn't in line with this paradigm, must get discarded or overlooked.
Any scientist will tell you that it is a career-making move to find evidence that overturns paradigms and long-held ideas! Einstein did that with Newton, after all.
The thing is, you want non-science to be considered scientific.
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So you can't tell me to "open my eyes to the fruits of science" (sorry I can't find your exact quote) because in a lot of areas in science, the bias towards to current paradigm does not allow for veracious investigation.
That is quite a claim. Care to support it?
I think the problem is that you wish the supernatural to be included in scientific explanations. They used to be, and that's how Galileo was imprisioned.
Can you explain to me how letting the supernatural into science would benefit inquiry?
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It therefore comes down to one thing, in ALL our lives, and that is faith. We must all decide on which side of the fence we want to be. Because, no one can say for 100% certainty that they have all the facts, or that they know everything.
Except that you do exactly that! You believe what you believe, and you do not doubt in the least, and you stop questioning.
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The evidence that two scientists examine, can usually fit two different paradigms, depending on what assumptions you begin with.
Examples?
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I have often said that evolutionists possess much greater faith than the creationist. Because you believe in spite of the unfathomable odds, and the evidence you see.
The evidence leads me, overwhelmingly, to evolution occurring.
However, if reliable scientific evidence from nature came forward that contradicted evolution, I would have to change. So far I haven't seen any.
Is that the same kind of faith you have, sonnikke?
I really think that the reason you have all of these objections is because you don't know very much about Biology or Evolution, or Geology, etc.
What would you say your education level on these subjects are?

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Message 87 of 101 (32919)
02-23-2003 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by lpetrich
02-22-2003 1:23 AM


And then Sonnike will have to go answer to God for how he wasted his God-given intelligence by worshipping the simplistic interpretation of one of God's holy books instead of being observant of the world around him.

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