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jaywill
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Message 34 of 64 (563509)
06-05-2010 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
06-03-2010 7:00 AM


As I think I’ve argued before, Judas is the real hero who suffered for us. Jesus said, It would have been better for him if had not been born, implying Judas is suffering in eternity for his endeavours that ensured the rest of us were saved. All Jesus had was a bad weekend.
Who is the "us" in this paragraph ?
You have every right to claim Judas as you hero and appreciate in some strange way that he died for you.
But if we enter into "Bible Study" I can find nothing to confirm this kind of adoration of Judas.
Can you point me to a passage teaching that Judas laid down his life for anyone ?
I see Paul speaking about his gospel being of "the unsearchable riches of Christ". Where are the epistles exploring the endless benefits of Judas ?
Is it from anything written in the Bible that you derive this concept that the real center of virtue is Judas Isacariot ?

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jaywill
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From: VA USA
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Message 37 of 64 (563551)
06-05-2010 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Peg
06-05-2010 7:18 PM


the real implication of what Jesus meant by 'It would have been better for him if he had not been born' has nothing to do with eternal torment because that teaching is not a biblical one.
Eternal torment is biblical.
And I agree ( on this point only ) with Chimp. It would have been better for Judas had he never been born.
Have we debated this before ?

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