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Author Topic:   I.D. proponents: Make up your mind!
Taq
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Message 24 of 62 (563978)
06-07-2010 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by tesla
06-06-2010 9:38 PM


Re: It's the evidence...
You think no scientists are creationists?
How many of these creationist scientists are doing original creationist research and testing creationist hypotheses? How many of these studies are getting published in peer reviewed journals?
Scientist is not a title. It describes an activity.
Just because i believe the universe was created doesn't mean i cant be good at science.
But you can't do science by inserting unevidenced and untestable variables into your hypotheses.
Because science has zero proof that God does not exist other than God wont obey THEM.
Negative argument fallacy. Science has zero proof that Leprechauns do not exist, and yet I don't see why scientists should make them a part of science. Can you explain why Leprechauns should not be a part of science since no one can prove that they don't exist?

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Message 32 of 62 (564410)
06-10-2010 10:54 AM
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06-10-2010 8:09 AM


Re: It's the evidence...
Again you infer religion anytime you see "God" in an argument. God can be discussed without inserting religion.
That's how the creation argument should be discussed within science.
Can you name a single instance where adding God into a scientific theory has improved our knowledge of the natural world? If we add God into Newton's formulas do they suddenly become more accurate?

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Message 43 of 62 (564619)
06-11-2010 10:28 AM
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06-10-2010 6:57 PM


Re: It's the evidence...
You first need a scientific definition to understand the "what" of God and his/its relation to man.
With this understanding their "may" be a way to tie mathematical equations better together.
Shouldn't you figure this out first before insisting that God be included in science?
For instance, IF the math we have now is true, yet missing a key component ( such as a ball's path being a three second launch off the ground starting at T=0, yet on the return path you accrue a negative number because you didn't have the ground in the return eqation) Then you may build years of study and math explaining dynamics by that math and waste years of potential growth because of an overlooked variable.
But why would this missing variable be God? A good example is Newton's Laws of Gravity. As it turned out they were wrong. They were missing a variable. Newton's Laws of Gravity could not explain the observed precession in Mercury's orbit. That missing variable was not God. The missing variable was the warping of spacetime, a completely natural process that does not require any reference to any deity.
If God IS and IS in a physical and real sense, then its a definite variable That should not be overlooked.
If that were so then you should be able to show how including God improves science. You haven't been able to do that.

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