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Topic: Discerning Which Definition to Use
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hooah212002
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Message 5 of 106 (558602)
05-02-2010 10:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 3 by Peg
05-02-2010 6:52 PM
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Admittedly, PD has far more knowledge on this subject than I, but I can't help but to point this out (after reading her steller OP, I became rather intrigued).
God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day. Peg, you have the word for 'day" twice there. They both obviously have two different meanings in the same sentence. How can you determine what definition to ascribe to them both? To me, it's glaringly obvious. I don't understand why you are jumping through all the hoops. Even when you re-quote the passage, you leave out the second "day" usage, as if it was only said once.
Its not only the immediate verse you need to look at to determine which definition to use, but also other passages in the rest of the bible which may expand on the verse you are looking at. I can't see this as a respectable answer, Peg. It is very obvious, in this passage, what the word "yom" is to mean:
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God called the light "day,"
—supposedly god
Obviously, this means daytime, or the light portion of the 24 hour day.
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....and there was morning--the first day.
—supposedly god
Here, it logically means the entire 24 hour day. We don't need any other verses to muddy the waters, Peg.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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Message 8 of 106 (558621)
05-03-2010 8:09 AM
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Reply to: Message 6 by Peg
05-03-2010 6:12 AM
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Are you trying to say now that "day" or "yom" only has one meaning? If I tell you that I will see you in two days, what do you think I mean? Are you going to factor in the "non-daytime" hours that also are included in those two days? If I tell you that vampires don't come out during the day, what do you think I mean?
Peg writes: So tell me, How many hours are there in the light portion of a 24 hour day? It depends on the time of year, of course. But I guess for the sake of this discussion, we can ascribe 12 hours light/12 hours dark.
Peg writes: Explain why it 'logically' means a 24 hour day. quote:
And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day
Note the "and" which I bolded. The morning AND the evening=1 day. I say logically because I am not performing mental gymnastics to twist the words that are written. I say logically because I know how to read a sentence.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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Message 11 of 106 (558625)
05-03-2010 9:14 AM
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Reply to: Message 10 by Peg
05-03-2010 8:51 AM
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Re: Which Definition to Use
I have showed you from Genesis 2:4 that ALL the previous 6 days...the days you claim to be 24 hours long....are refered to as ONE day. I fear you are being obtuse on purpose peg.
Genesis 1:8 writes: ....And there was evening, and there was morningthe second day. Genesis 1:13 writes: .....And there was evening, and there was morningthe third day. Genesis 1:18 writes: .... And there was evening, and there was morningthe fourth day. Genesis 1:23 writes: ...And there was evening, and there was morningthe fifth day. Genesis 1:31 writes: ...God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morningthe sixth day. So either you are wrong or the bible is conflicting. Which is it? (I believe it is both, but who am I to judge?)
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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Message 13 of 106 (558629)
05-03-2010 10:14 AM
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Reply to: Message 12 by Peg
05-03-2010 9:52 AM
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No. Yom has both figurative and literal uses in the bible including 'very long periods of time'...which is the definition we put to the genesis day. Then explain Genesis 1. Why does Genesis 1 list individual days? I refuse to quote the same verses anymore, only for you to ignore them.
Yes you know how to read english and you've read it in english and concluded that. So why do you think Gen 2:4 states that all six of the creative days were called 'one' day? Why do you think this verse rolling all 6 days into 1? What do I think? I think the bible is horse puckey. The way it looks to me is that the guys who made up this myth didn't know what they were doing. However, in light of this discussion, I will say that Genesis 2 should be viewed as a sort of "reflection", if you will. Looking back "at the time period" when creation happened. Genesis 1 is to be "exactly" what happened, and the time frame attributed to it. For example: if I am a carpenter and I build my own shed, I might detail how exactly I did it and what I did on a given day. Now, when I reflect on it, I may say something like " back in the day when I built this shed". Are you going to all of a sudden think it took me 1 day to build the shed? Or will you realize that I am being figurative?
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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Message 19 of 106 (558687)
05-03-2010 8:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 16 by Peg
05-03-2010 7:47 PM
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That process was the first 'yom' or 'length of time' When it was complete it as as if a new day had dawned therefore it was described figuratively as day 1. My god peg. Do you actually have a reading comprehension disability? YOUR bible clearly states these events hapenning in a literal day:
The Bible writes: ....Evening and morning: the first day Evening and morning: second day Evening and morning: third day How many bloody time does it have to be quoted to you? Of course a "new day had dawned" because it was DAWN OF THE NEXT LITERAL DAMNED DAY! You know, dawn: sun fricking rise? Do we need to also identify figurative and literal definitons for "evening" and "morning"?
The point is that it shows the word YOM is used figuratively within the same account so why is it that some people are demanding that the Yom in vs 4/5 is literal? Yom being literal is quantified by the words MORNING AND EVENING. Every other time used it is phrased just so as to mean "a random period of time".
Its dishonest to put a literal interpretation to a word that is being used figuratively in the same account. Peg, if the bible cannot be read the same way as any other literature: what in the fuck was god thinking? Answer me this: who was literate at the time these books were written? Could the lay-men sheep herder read? Was he privvy to a bible? I say nay, it was priestly men who wrote these books.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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Message 25 of 106 (558695)
05-03-2010 9:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 21 by Peg
05-03-2010 9:09 PM
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In fear of deviating from the topic, I will ask anyways: why then, do your people go door to door preaching? Why do christians even bother telling people about jeebus? If god already knows who he wants to hang out with him, why do you try? If they already have "the understanding", you aren't doing god's work. Or is he incompetant? I don't know how much more of your mental gymanstics I can take Peg. I thought this would be a nice discussion where I learned a bit from the other side, but you mince words too much. My brain is turning to mush.
he was probably thinking that he would only reveal understanding to a select few Then you "select few" (not sure who you are, you all can't even sort that out) need to piss off and keep your foul religion to yourselves if your holy tyrant doesn't love everyone.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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Message 28 of 106 (558711)
05-04-2010 2:01 AM
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Reply to: Message 27 by Peg
05-04-2010 1:53 AM
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No, Peg, I am pointing out how you are twisting words around. Don't try and assume why I joined this discussion, because I told you why. This thread doesn't appear to be about "opinion", Peg. if you think a literal reading of the bible is about opinion, then my opinion of your bible is that jesus can fly and has tentacles. he also looks like Chtulu. We are talking about definitions and word usage, Peg, which, to my knowledge, aren't open for your opinion.
then you miss the humor in my tongue in cheek remark...oh well. Being purposefully obtuse is not funny. Now, perhaps you would care to answer some of the questions I took the time to posit to you, instead of responding with 1-liners. You know, to further this discussion.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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Message 32 of 106 (558717)
05-04-2010 2:44 AM
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Reply to: Message 30 by Peg
05-04-2010 2:24 AM
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actually, we are talking about how to determine the meaning of a word when a word has multiple means....as purpledawns OP asks Yes, exactly as I said. Don't act like you corrected me.
Peg writes: 1. Context of the immediate passage. quote:
And there was evening, and there was morningthe first day.
PLEASE, Peg. How can you tell me this means anything other than a literal 24 hour day? Do no reference genesis 2, it has no bearing here. you have not addressed me on this. Rather, you have accused me of being argumentative about it.
Peg writes: 2. Other verses of the bible revealing more information on the subject In some cases, yes. like when it is unclear and the word requires more background. But in cases where it is absolutely clear (like the verses I have quoted 5 times now), the sentence itself is sufficient. I would also point out that since there were numerous writers of the bible and at different times, referencing other texts wouldn't be a very solid test. It would be like me referencing "the Sorceror's Stone" to give meaning to "Half Blood Prince", for a single word. If it were a brand new, made up word, it would be fine. but for a normal, every day common word, the surrounding text is sufficient in most cases (shhh, it's the first book I could think of. I am not a Harry Potter fan) As soon as you can give me a solid, no nonsense answer for this verse and how you do not understand it, I will move on.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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Message 34 of 106 (558719)
05-04-2010 3:00 AM
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Reply to: Message 33 by Peg
05-04-2010 2:57 AM
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And there was evening, and there was morningthe first day. SIX TIMES NOW PEG. SIX TIMES YOU FORCE ME TO QUOTE YOUR BIBLE. See? you made me yell because you don't read. {ABE} let me add this.
Kenneth Gentry writes: The Hebrew word yom ("day") in the Genesis 1 account of creation should be understood in a normal sense of a 24-hour period, for the following reasons: (2) Argument from explicit qualification. Moses carefully qualifies each of the six creative days with the phraseology: "evening and morning." The qualification is a deliberate defining of the concept of day. Outside of Genesis 1 the words "evening" and "morning" occur together in thirty-seven verses. In each instance it speaks of a normal day. Examples from Moses include: Exodus 18:13: And so it was, on the next day, that Moses sat to judge the people; and the people stood before Moses from morning until evening. Exodus 27:21: In the tabernacle of meeting, outside the veil which is before the Testimony, Aaron and his sons shall tend it from evening until morning before the LORD. (3) Argument from ordinal prefix. In the 119 cases in Moses's writings where the Hebrew word yom stands in conjunction with a numerical adjective (first, second, third, etc.), it never means anything other than a literal day. The same is true of the 357 instances outside of the Pentateuch, where numerical adjectives occur. Examples include: Leviticus 12:3: And on the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. Exodus 12:15: Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall remove leaven from your houses. For whoever eats leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel. Exodus 24:16: Now the glory of the LORD rested on Mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days. And on the seventh day He called to Moses out of the midst of the cloud. The Genesis 1 account of creation consistently applies the ordinal prefix to the day descriptions, along with "evening and morning" qualifiers (Gen. 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, 31). Source Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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Message 35 of 106 (558720)
05-04-2010 3:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 33 by Peg
05-04-2010 2:57 AM
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I see you won't answer my other request, so here's another:
Exodus 20:9-11 writes: 9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. how long are you to work, Peg? 6 thousand years? Taking 1 thousand off for the sabbath?
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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Message 37 of 106 (558722)
05-04-2010 3:16 AM
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Reply to: Message 36 by Peg
05-04-2010 3:13 AM
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Please see what I added by edit.
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Message 40 of 106 (558725)
05-04-2010 3:35 AM
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Reply to: Message 38 by Peg
05-04-2010 3:22 AM
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Re: I see you won't answer my other request, so here's another:
If you take notice of Genesis you'll see that the sabbath day was never said to come to its end. You've out foxed me on this one. What the hell are you talking about? Are you saying we are still in "the sabbath day" or" "the day of the sabbath"? You really have a way of making the bible fit your faith, eh?
Leviticus 12:3 writes: And on the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. How long does it take to cut foreskin?
Then another 2,000 years later the Apostle Paul spoke about Gods Sabbath, he told christians that God was still resting....thats almost 4,000 years after the fact. This is another reason why we dont take the genesis days as literal. How could god have been resting with all the killing he did?
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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Message 41 of 106 (558726)
05-04-2010 3:40 AM
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Reply to: Message 39 by Peg
05-04-2010 3:26 AM
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I'm going to read up on my hebrew and come back to this.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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Message 42 of 106 (558727)
05-04-2010 3:58 AM
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Reply to: Message 39 by Peg
05-04-2010 3:26 AM
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It is used in the same sense, Peg. First day, second day....7th day. Every where else in the bible where yom is used in this manner it means one 24 hour day. I've already shown you an example verse. Secondly, if yom in genesis 1 means anything other than a literal 24 hour day, why mention morning and evening? Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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Message 44 of 106 (558730)
05-04-2010 4:39 AM
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Reply to: Message 43 by Peg
05-04-2010 4:28 AM
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Re: I see you won't answer my other request, so here's another:
this 'day' can be taken literally, its the 8th day after a child birth, the length of time it takes to make the cut is of no consequence. Im not saying we never take the word yom literally. And you can justify this how? I'll tell you how: every other instance yom is used in conjuction with a number (i.e.: fifth day, second day, etc.) it means a literal day. Have you got a way to tell how it is to be used here literally?
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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