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Author Topic:   Are The Historical Respective Roles Of The Genders Relevant Today?
Flyer75
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Message 5 of 116 (557493)
04-26-2010 8:55 AM


Call me a traditionalist, or an old fart, whatever you prefer...idiot will work too. I agree to an extent with Buzz on this. I think statistics show the decline in the family structure has changed quite a bit (divorce, out of wedlock births, ect) with the woman's liberation "movement" if you will. I'd obviously prefer the mom to stay home and have an influence on the young ones then send them off to a day care to be watched by someone that just doesn't care quite as much.
That being said, times have changed Buzz and there's probably no going back at this point. Women now make decent incomes and help pay the bills, the car payments, the vacations, ect. Certainly pros and cons to this. Lifestyles go up, nicer cars, nicer home, better vacations for the kids, ect.
Just my .02 cents. It is what it is, women work now and make good money doing so...that isn't going to change.
Edit: I'd like to add something I just thought of. A woman's (and man's) role in society is really determined by society/culture. The role of a woman in say Rwanda is certainly going to be different then the role of a woman in America. In Rwanda, families are still trying to survive in a "pioneer" lifestyle...i.e. the man goes out and is sole job is to provide food and clothing for him family and that's it...Plasma tvs and BMW's are of zero consequence to this family. In American, 99.9% of families are no longer trying to just "put food on the table". The big question in life now is, boy, I'd really like to go to Disney World, purchase that brand new Nissan, and that 65" LCD would look great in the basement. Even in America, this aspect has changed dramatically since my dad was a boy in the 40's and 50's when he had to work the farm. Heck, my grandfather, now 90, had to drop out of school before high school to "work the farm". So of course my grandmother didn't work much...she raised the kids because money wasn't the issue....food and labor was.
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Flyer75
Member (Idle past 2454 days)
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From: Dayton, OH
Joined: 02-15-2010


Message 35 of 116 (557581)
04-26-2010 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Hyroglyphx
04-26-2010 12:54 PM


Re: Unintended consequences of the suffrage movement
Hyroglyphx writes:
I think that along with the huge benefits of the sufferage movement have also introduced some unintended consequences. For instance, that most Americans cannot do without dual incomes can directly be attributed to women working.
That being said, I wouldn't trade this pitfall in for an antiquated society that shackles their women to the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant.
I can agree with this. Listen, I may be a traditionalist deep down inside but I'm not going to lock my wife down and make her do dishes all night. Right now, we have an infant in the house and we live off my income alone. We do without some of the "luxuries" of life but by no means are we poor.
Funny thing about humans and nature though. I look around my work and we have more then a handful of employees married to other employees in the same job so they have a "double" income yet they struggle financially as much as anyone. We struggle on one income at times but no more so then those I work with that make double the income. This probably has nothing to do with the actual discussion but simply the fact that idiots spend what they make.

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Flyer75
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From: Dayton, OH
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Message 36 of 116 (557582)
04-26-2010 10:48 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Rahvin
04-26-2010 11:55 AM


Rahvin writes:
Prior to the women's liberation movement, very few women attended college or had any work experience. They were entirely dependent upon their husbands for their wellbeing. This meant that they had basically no choice in the matter - they were forced to stay married, even to abusive husbands.
Now, mroe women are attending college than men are. Employers are more willing to hire women than ever before. The rise in divorce rate seems to be more of a result of women now having the opportunity in addition to the legal ability to divorce.
Rahvin, I think we both pretty agree with this. That was my point. Women HAD to stay home in the past. It's still that way in certain cultures, but not that way here in America anymore.
That's why the stats show that divorce has gone up since the lib movement (and yes, that includes for fundys also, I'm on my second marriage but not for this reason....LOL). Women are better educated, have jobs that for the most part are as good as men's thus they can divorce and support themselves.
Is this good or bad is the question?? Probably more good then bad. Equality is certainly better then slavery.

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Flyer75
Member (Idle past 2454 days)
Posts: 242
From: Dayton, OH
Joined: 02-15-2010


Message 51 of 116 (557737)
04-27-2010 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by hooah212002
04-27-2010 3:43 PM


Re: Another For The Record
hooah212002 writes:
How many sheckels did you pay for her, Buz?
I get a chuckle out of this every time I read it.

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