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Author Topic:   Not enough room in DNA
cavediver
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Message 77 of 139 (556197)
04-18-2010 2:13 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Calibrated Thinker
04-17-2010 12:02 PM


Re: Heh
i.e. if the complexity is so great that it looks like it has been designed...
Why are you assuming that complexity makes something look like it has been designed? I see the staggering complexity of the Mandlebrot Set, yet I certainly don't ever think that it was "designed". You seem to be assuming that which you are attempting to demonstrate.
If I found a fully functioning 2010 latest design Top of the range Laptop Computer with 200,000 fully operational advanced software programs it would be reasonable to assume that the Laptop and software had been designed.
Yes, because of the millions of examples we have of laptops being a result of human design, and the complete absence of any examples of laptops arising that have not been designed. This has nothing to do with "complexity".
Or are you suggesting that perhaps a much less complex laptop, say one from the early 90s like my old Compaq, wasn't designed because it was substantially less complex that the Vaio on which I am typing this message?
Therefore, if it's logical to state that the Laptop was obviously designed then it is many orders of magnitude more likely that the DNA information coding system is also designed.
Nonsense - we know laptops are designed because we have millions of examples of laptops being designed and no examples of laptops that have not been designed. We have zero examples of any biological system being designed, unless you are again trying to assume that which you are attempting to demonstrate?
It appears that there is a distinct lack of valid logic in the arguments you are presenting. Have you any better arguments?

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cavediver
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Message 80 of 139 (556200)
04-18-2010 2:30 AM
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04-18-2010 2:27 AM


Re: Heh
Using that logic an archeologist that digs up previously unknown and unseen types of artifacts cannot be certain that the artifacts are indeed intelligently made, even though it would be obvious even to a small child that the artifact was made by someone at some time in the past.
Examples please?

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cavediver
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Message 81 of 139 (556202)
04-18-2010 2:37 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Calibrated Thinker
04-18-2010 2:16 AM


Re: Creationist websites
Calibrated Thinker writes:
P.S. It is my experience that the Website Creation.com quoted above publishes material that is entirely consistent with empirical scientific method in an accurate manner. Perhaps you could point out some instances where Creation.com is:-
Coyote writes:
...All four of these are absolutely wrong and reflect common errors passed from one creationist website to another.
Calibrated Thinker writes:
What repeatable, verifiable evidence can you provide that confirms the accuracy of any of the radiometric dating methods currently used today.
Please do not change the subject. You asked for examples of where Creation.com was wrong and Coyote presented four perfectly laughable examples of idiocy from this site - irrespective of what one thinks of the accuracy of any type of dating, anyone with any knowledge of carbon dating (which includes Coyote, an expert, myself to a much lesser degree, as a physicist, but obviously not you and Creation.com) would recognise these examples are utterly fallacious.
Now, as it was you that requested this information regarding Creation.com, perhaps you would be so kind to reply to Coyote on that topic.

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