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Author Topic:   Is complexity an argument against design?
ringo
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Message 39 of 142 (375231)
01-07-2007 11:57 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Doddy
01-07-2007 11:23 PM


Re: Don't forget semantics
Doddy Curumehtar writes:
It has no context - it is just noise....
But "context" is very subjective, isn't it? One man's noise is another man's music. One sees organization where another sees randomness.
With a rock, there are an finite number of "steps" that gave it its present shape, even if we can't infer all of those steps from its present shape. Those steps constitute the "information" about the rock's shape. The more steps, the more information.
If those steps produced Mount Everest or Michaelangelo's David, what's the difference?
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ringo
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Message 42 of 142 (375330)
01-08-2007 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Doddy
01-08-2007 8:42 AM


Re: Don't forget semantics
Doddy Curumehtar writes:
David represents something (from our learnt experience, we can see other people and we can read of biblical history, so due to what we have been exposed to, we can infer design)....
It occurs to me that we infer "design" in David because it is a copy of something found in nature. In that example, we are inferring imitation, not true design.
David and Everest are made of similar materials using similar methods. The only distinction between the two is that the "designed" one is a fake and the "undesigned" one is an original.
Not much of a testimony to the "designer", anyway.

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