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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design in Science Class - Sample curriculum please
sidelined
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Message 30 of 108 (292651)
03-06-2006 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by inkorrekt
02-28-2006 10:25 PM


Re: ID is not based on supernaturalism
inkorrekt
Creation is based on supernaturalism. But not ID.
Oh,Really? Let us study the implications posed by intelligent design. Intelligent design states that the world has levels of complexity in it than cannot have arisen with being directed and that this direction is imposed by an intelligent designer.
You have stated that supernaturalism is not the same as Intelligent design so ,therefore, God is out of the picture as the intelligent designer. Now the question arises that since an entity, as loosely defined here, needs be more complex than that which the entity designs, we ask the question what is the source of the complexity of the intelligent designer whose existence we derived to explain the complexity of the world?

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Message 35 of 108 (293137)
03-08-2006 2:46 AM
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03-07-2006 6:32 PM


Re: ID is not based on supernaturalism
inkorrekt
We do not know who the designer is.
We do not need to know what the designer is. What my question concerned was what designed this designer? This is a valid question since the substance of the Intelligent design hypothesis is that the complexity of the world is what indicates that there is a designer.
Now this designer that is postulated is necessarily more complex than the world that intelligent design invokes to explain.
Therefore we need apply the same criteria to the designer in order to explain its existence to be consistent with the hypothesis.
Here now is where the difficulty lies. The arguement suffers from the inabilty to self limit and proceeds ad infinitum. No sooner are we able to postulate the designer than we need invoke a yet more complex designer, etc, etc, etc to maintain the validity of the arguement.
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Message 44 of 108 (293518)
03-09-2006 1:46 AM
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Re: ID is not based on supernaturalism
inkorrekt
We do know that it cannot be logically held that the Intelligent design hypothesis is valid since if the intelligent designer exists he negates the intelligent design by way of ad infinitum.

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