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Author Topic:   God and viruses (namely AIDS)
ICANT
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Message 5 of 21 (530163)
10-12-2009 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by hooah212002
10-12-2009 9:05 AM


Re Virus
Hi hooah,
hooah212002 writes:
To stray from a direct cut and paste, the usage of molecular phylogenetics has led top researchers to the conclusion that AIDS did indeed originate from primates.
How did you get from this to this:
hooah212002 writes:
At least one of the chimps aboard the Ark was stricken with the disease.
To this:
hooah212002 writes:
Then went ahead and put a sick monkey on the ark?
When the earliest related HIV virus is thought to be 14 m years old and possibly 85 m years old found in the grey mouse lemur population. The lemur is a primate. Source
Notice you start out with a primate.
Which turns into a chimp.
Which turns into a monkey.
hooah212002 writes:
At least one of the chimps aboard the Ark was stricken with the disease.
If as you assert the disease was transported by a chimp on the Ark, why would it have to be stricken with the disease?
All that would be necessary would be it be HIV positive.
hooah212002 writes:
(wasn't all evil supposed to be wiped from the earth?)
I don't find where all evil was to be wiped from the earth.
Evil was not wiped from the earth as it still exists today.
hooah212002 writes:
In both of these scenarios, god inflicted us/chimps with this plague. How do you wrap your head around a god whom would put such a terrible disease like this on the planet? I understand the fall of man and being born into sin, but to put a disease on this planet that causes such slow and painful death? How can this be that of a loving god?
First you are under the impression that God is the only one who can inflict disease and death.
God did not kill Job's children and grand children. Neither did he inflict Job with boils.
But if God provided the disease as a judgment, He has the right to inflict any judgment on His creation He desires for it's disobedience.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 13 of 21 (530405)
10-13-2009 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by hooah212002
10-12-2009 9:38 PM


Re: Virus
Hi hooah,
hooah writes:
Ok, maybe it doesn't exactly SAY evil exactly. However, is it not assumed that the flud was a fresh start? Isn't that the argued purpose of the flud? Why carry over disease and pestilince?
God did not make everything new which He would have had to do to start all over.
To accomplish that He would have to have performed something like a big crunch and started all over from scratch with nothing but the energy He used in the beginning.
hooah writes:
So do you assert that the AIDS virus evolved?
A virus can only evolve in a living cell. They lack any form of energy, carbon metabolism, and without a host cell viruses are inanimate complex organic matter.
I believe either God or Satan provided the virus which lay dormant until it was manifest in mankind.
I can find no scientific reason for viruses to exist. If you know some I would like to read about them.
hooah writes:
And THAT is precisely the point I am trying to make. How can you claim a just, fair, loving god when he (according to my understanding of what literalists would say) created such a vile, painful disease?
I mentioned Job's boils and death of his children and grand children to point out that God is not the only one who can provide those things.
Satan could have very well have provided the HIV virus. There is no way of knowing. I would tend to believe he did provide it as well as all other bad things.
Because God is a loving God.
But God is also a God of justice. Which requires punishment for disobedience.
God is not like the generation that was raised on the teachings of Dr. Benjamin Spock.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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