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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined:
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Yea well sorry, Obama used our tax payer's dollars to benefit his own personal gain. If Bush would have tried to bid for Texas to hold the Olympics, it would have been all over the media in a negative way.
Horse poop. Liberal/democrats are hypocrites. Been saying it for years. So are republicans, but that's besides the point.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined:
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You both missed a valid point, and did not answer the question. How would have media portrayed Bush, if Bush tried to get the Olympics in Texas?
I am 100% certain you guys would not have the same attitude towards Bush doing the exact same thing. He wanted it in Chicago, not because it was good for the country, but because that is where he is from, and wants to be a hero or something to Chicago. As President of the US, he should be spending money for things in OUR best interest, not his. So it's not about the money per-say, but how he used it. Seemed very bias to me. Yes he did loose a lot politically IMO.And no I wasn't trashing him for going, I was trashing for the state and town he picked, I guessed you missed that one. Oh yea, I will always judge the actions of our President, it would be foolish not to. I guess I am a racist now too.....
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined:
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quote: NBC Sports | Live Streams, Video, News, Schedules, Scores and more If you can show me unequivocally that Obama had nothing to do with choosing Chicago over any other state, I will retract my original statement, and feel more inclined to think Obama is an unbiased person.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined:
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quote: Nitpicking every move? Show me one other time I said anything about Obama. Please retract that statement. I was much harder on Bush than I am Obama, outside of this forum.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined:
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taz writes: See, you throw out statements like these from time to time, which is why (and I freely admit, crucify me if you want) I don't have a lot of respect for you, riverrat. You're a fine guy, I'm sure. But from time to time, you let it slip that you don't really know the facts. What scares me is you are very strongly opinionated about these things based on fiction. See 2 posts ago and follow that link. Obama pushed hard for Chicago. SO if that's the case, you can take everything you said in that long ridiculous post you made, trying to teach me about life and everything, back. You should step outside your own body once and while and read what you write to people. And for the last time EVER in this forum, I am neither a conservative, or a liberal, or a democrat, or a "fundie". I do not hate anyone for what they believe, or how they were born. I dislike certain ideas. Stop the dumb tactics.
quote: Thanks for that short. That explains a lot. It will help me in my approach to you. FYI, everyone is not out to trick you or get you. Maybe your father just didn't know. Maybe he thought you were talking about the reflectors, or maybe he thought it was a reflector. Open your mind, and try to see the other side of people's actions. Try to look at them the way God might (if He exists). Maybe your Dad just didn't lie to you.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined:
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subbie writes: Not quite unequivocal proof, maybe someone can find something more compelling, but the Chicago package was submitted to the IOC on Feb 12, 2009. Now, if you want to think that Obama engineered that in his first 23 days, you must think he's a very effective and efficient person. You are joking right? How many pages were in the bailout plan? How long did that take?Yes, the staff of the white house is very efficient, and Obama does a great job of implementing things into motion. Totally possible.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined:
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That link is pretty dam confusing, and not evendent enough to back up your claim. Quoted from your own link:
quote: One could also say that Daley knew the president would back him being that he was from Chicago. They might have even talked about it. It all points to corruption if you ask me.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined:
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So the process began, at the latest, in May 2006 and the USOC made its selection in April of 2007. Seems pretty cut and dried that if there was White House influence in the city selection it would have to have been Bush White House influence. Not exactly. While I will concede that the original selection had nothing to do with Obama abusing his current presidential status, he was still involved in choosing Chicago. Quoted from your link:
quote: So I don't have a problem with a state leader vying to have his state host the olympics, once he became president, there was a slight conflict of interest, and he did go out of his way to try and get the olympics in Chicago. Maybe he should have sent a republican to seal the deal, thereby eliminating a conflict of interest. That's what I would have done. There is also the issue of the games being paid for by all private industry, which is an open door to corruption, and kickbacks. I stick by my initial statement, in saying if that was Bush, it would have been portrayed by the liberal media completely differently. Just like they did with the whole oil issue. Bush owns oil, so it must be his fault approach. I won't hold this against Obama in the least bit. I have raised an eyebrow.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined:
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On the lighter side....
taz writes: You're nitpicking every move he makes and look for a reason to not like him. I felt I should address this a little more closely. Thanks to SNL. I would love to nitpick everything he has done, but he has done..................................absolutely nothing. Let's run down the list. Gitmo.....................nothingPull out of Iraq..........no Improve Afghanistan.......it's worse Health care reform........hell no gays in the military......nope Global warming............nope Immigration reform........nada Limits on executive powers-zero Torture prosecution.......nope However, if you buy a new car from Chevy, you will get a free Chicago 2016 t-shirt with it. He has done Cash for clunkers which improved the economy in Japan, he killed a fly on TV, and brought together a white cop, and a black professor. And oh, it took 4 months to pick a dog. There was an $800 check for people on welfare (after all people who do nothing should get rewards) that probably lost $200 of value in the recession. All I see is a lot of spending, and the cost of running my business has gone up thanks to him. So now if you want to say I am nit picking go ahead. I am still waiting patiently for things to get better, after all it took 8 years to screw it all up right??Yes we can.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined:
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As usual you missed the mark on every single one of your replies to me, oh well, I will not give up hope on, for one day you might get it.
taz writes: As was pointed out to you earlier, Mayor Daley pushed for Chicago's bid long before Obama was ever on the scene. The committee voted to input about $500 million into this thing before Obama was ever on the scene. As I pointed in a link that was given to us by someone else, from wikipedia, Obama was involved from the start. But he was a state leader as I pointed out, and I do not have any problem with a state leader pushing to have the olympics in their state if they feel it is a good thing FOR THE PEOPLE of the state. IT seems it might have been, but there was controversy over it. Then Obama became President, and that is when it could have been considered a conflict of interest. A touchy situation, and as a politician you would generally try to stay clear of those situations. However, I conceded and I am not going to complain about what he did. As I said, my eyebrow is raised.
I still don't understand why you keep insisting that Obama "chose" Chicago, I am not.....READ boy READ.
Here is the part that tells me you're nitpicking and criticizing every little thing. If it's the tax money paying for the Olympics, it's a waste of tax dollars. If it's paid for by private industries, it's corruption. Oh please. If oil companies would have backed having the olympics in Texas when Bush was president, you would have been all over it. Don't be a hypocrite. Try harder to be unbiased, and not blinded by your own personal views. As far as the list goes. that was a joke, as I stated "lighter side"
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined:
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taz writes: Again, a friend of mine said this earlier this year. It took 8 years for Bush to burn down Rome. Obama can not fix it by himself no more than Bush created it by himself. Our current economic status is completely the American public's fault. It's the down side of freedom. A reason for socialist countries to say "see look, it doesn't work". All caused by greed.
Of all the criticisms, I haven't seen a single "liberal" media quoting Obama when he said these issues won't be solved in just a few months. He said this over and over during the campaign. It's only people like you who probably slept through the campaign period and showed up to vote on the last day think he promised to get everything done in a couple months. The list was from Saturday Night Live. A very liberal comedy show. READ boy READ. http://www.nbc.com/...live/video/clips/obama-address/1163263 Have a laugh, if that's possible with you.....
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined:
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For taz....and a few others.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined:
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I can't see the video but based on your other statements, do you consider yourself libertarian? Not sure. I don't like labels, it seems to divide us. I see good and bad in all political views. Anytime I ever took a test to see what I am, I seem to fall in the middle every time. One thing I can't stand is invasion of freedom, and being protected from myself by a government full of rules. At the same time I understand the need for some rules, to protect people from people.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined:
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onifre writes: "Oh yea, and the Afghan people don't fuck'n want us there." That, and that alone, is reason to get the hell out of there. I have to stop you right there. Now I am not over there, so like the rest of us, all I have to go by is what we see on TV, and what we hear from our friends who are actually over there serving. There was a special on the green Berets in Afghanistan the other day on National Geographic Explorer. It left me with the impression that the people of Afghanistan do want us over there, and do need our help, and are so scared of their lives to ask for it, that they don't. They had to block out people's faces, and voices so that the Taliban would not kill them for what they are doing. It is clear that nobody involved WANTS WAR, but the Taliban are ruthless killers, and they need to be put down, to let the people of Afghanistan rise up and be free. While I don't completely understand if we should be involved, and just how much this is actually protecting us, I am sure that there is some level of concern we should have over a people that hate us the way they do. They want to kill us, just for being us, not for any other reason. That is wrong, and unacceptable in today's modern world, jungle or not. Basic human rights. The other thing is we never really seem to understand these people. They are always so willing to switch sides. Villages never move, but the side they are on moves as the war front moves. Nobody retreats, they just switch sides. This also could be done just out of plain fear. I compare it to a woman who is being abused by her husband, and won't tell out of fear. Should we allow that? Are we the police of the world? Are they really a threat to us? I think they are. The world is a small place now. We don't negotiate with terrorist, plain and simple.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined:
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While 'some' may welcome us, that number seems to be on the decline. Why are they on the decline? Is that because the Taliban is on the incline? People are scared for their lives. In a country where you die just for talking to us, I would suspect the numbers to be on the decline. They will come to your village, kill you, rape the women, and hurt the children. How can you guys support this kind of behavior? Nobody should have to fear for their lives just for talking to us. Couple that with their past history of aggression towards us, we have no choice but to be involved there. These situations will not go away, but intensify if we leave. It seems simple to me. I believe Obama is learning the truth, and that is why we are not out of Iraq yet, and that we need to send more into Afghanistan. His campaign promises were visions of grandeur. Welcome to the real world. Why is it that we have PETA to protect the fish from getting hurt, but we can't protect basic human rights?Don't hurt the fish.....screw the Afghanistan women and children Save a tree......kill a baby. There is no consistency in liberal minded thinkers, and no logic. All I see is hypocrites.
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