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Peg

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Message 7 of 17 (522247)
09-02-2009 5:14 AM

Reply to: Message 1 by dogrelata
08-31-2009 10:36 AM

dogrelata writes:

if their god is revealing itself to them, can they ever imagine a time when what is revealed is so unacceptable to them, they no longer wish to continue the relationship? Or is their devotion unconditional

I could be really self righteous and claim that my devotion is unconditional, but the reality is that its not and i think most christians would be kidding themselves if they claimed that their devotion was unconditional.

my experience has been that as i gained knowledge and understanding (the revealing perhaps) my devotion grew, it certainly wasnt instant but its through understanding Gods purpose and wanting to be a part of that purpose that i can call myself devoted today. So, no...there is nothing that may appear grotesque to onlookers that would damage my current devotion.

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Peg

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Message 9 of 17 (522252)
09-02-2009 6:22 AM

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09-02-2009 5:52 AM

hooah212002 writes:

I'm sorry, maybe I am mistaken. Isn't that exactly the unconditional devotion the OP is talking about?

devotion isnt given unconditionally

its something that develops, therefore if the premis of the Op is that people give God their devotion unconditionally, then that is not correct to begin with because devotion isnt automatic

it hopefully develops through knowledge and is based on reason.

Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

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Message 11 of 17 (522258)
09-02-2009 6:57 AM

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09-02-2009 6:32 AM

hooah212002 writes:

I feel as though we are each reading the OP in our own light. It is my understanding that he is asking whether or not you, or any religious person, are unwavering in your devotion, no matter the evidence shown to you, or no matter the lunacy you may come to see in your faith.

well even the bible tells us to test if the teachings are true before they are believed...the christians asked for evidence before they would devote themselves to Jesus and we should do the same. this means devotion is not unconditional.

anyone who has come to an understanding of bible truth knows that God is worthy of devotion...and because of that understanding, devotion developed in them.

I guess im coming from a different angle because devotion didn't come automatically to me...it came after quite a few years of study. My study led me to the conclusion that God's justice, mercy, love and purposes are worthy of devotion and nothing i've learnt can detract from that.

However, if my church, as an organization, started doing things contrary to the bible, then I would leave the church in a heartbeat.

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Message 13 of 17 (522380)
09-03-2009 5:01 AM

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09-02-2009 4:47 PM

dogrelata writes:

Would you now say what you have is a relationship with your god? If so, would you also say that the relationship grows stronger as your knowledge and understanding increases?

yes, i think its fair to say thats correct

dogrelata writes:

I also want to ask whether you think your dependency on your god has grown along with your devotion? Do you feel you now have a greater need for your god than previously?

Im not totally sure what you mean by dependency...i dont sit around waiting for him to do things if thats what you mean.

I guess I've learnt that we all really do need God in our life. I look forward to the future in a way that i never did previously. Actually, previously the future was quite bleak but now I see it as something very promising. In that way, my dependency on God has grown because I know the future is completely dependent on him.

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Peg

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Message 15 of 17 (522395)
09-03-2009 7:37 AM

Reply to: Message 14 by hooah212002
09-03-2009 6:57 AM

sorry to offend you there i'll rephrase it:

'i've learned that 'I' really need God'

hope that makes you feel better

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