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Author Topic:   Neotony in the development of H. sapiens
Nicolas Gallagher
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Message 2 of 13 (163382)
11-26-2004 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Unseul
06-01-2004 11:45 AM


Life-history is extended rather than humans being neotenic relative to the believed common ancestor.
The "angle of the neck" is also due to a novel trait rather than a retention of foetal angle. There are several papers that have demonstrated this.
As for human neoteny, I was also very interested in this theory. However, further research led me to believe it isn't correct in regards to human brain evolution at least. If you are interested in reading about this subject in more depth then I have provided a link to my dissertation on heterochronic theories of human brain evolution.
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edit: provided link rather than full text, corrected errors in the images originally provided
This message has been edited by Nicolas Gallagher, 11-28-2004 02:13 PM

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Nicolas Gallagher
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Message 4 of 13 (163390)
11-26-2004 6:45 PM


These are my own words, but I've informed my opinion on the research of others as well as drawing on other disciplines I've studied to critically evaluate the assumptions and conclusions other authors have drawn. I did try to find somewhere to host the word file but couldn't. The poster wanted to know opinions on neoteny and so I just thought I may as well post my analysis of the case for human neoteny seeing as it is relevant to what he was interested in. Is this not allowed?
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Nicolas Gallagher
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Message 9 of 13 (163488)
11-27-2004 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Quetzal
11-27-2004 9:50 AM


There are so many areas of human ontogeny being explored for possible heterochronic mechanisms of evolution. One problem with this area of research is the mess that has engulfed the terminology and hence the analysis of data - as is evident in how McNamara deals with brain evolution. Even the bonobo has often been labelled as neotenic relative to the common chimpanzee, but this too seems false. While I havn't researched any area in depth apart from cranial and brain "neoteny", I can add that neoteny is likely to be fairly rare. As I described in that argument, neoteny requires a shift towards isometric growth, which requires positive allometries to "flatten" towards isometry and negative allometries to "steepen" towards isometry. This combination seems unlikely to occur often in evolution. I'm afraid I cannot make any more informed comments in regards to your questions, because I'm simply not knowledgable enough about other people's research in those areas!
"Hairlessness" in humans is generally considered a heat adaptation. Humans have unique sweat glands that are considered a specific adaptation to the environment they evolved in, we can sweat far more efficiently and to a higher degree than any other animal (due to unique sweat glands). I remember reading somewhere that a human could survive ambiant temperatures of 120C if provided with enough water and conditions allowing rapid evaporation of sweat (don't take that as gospel, it's just a memory). However, humans have not lost hair as such, our body hair is simply very small but we still retain roughly the same number of hairs. It would seem more likely that some genetic adaptations suppress extensive hair growth, which could explain why some individuals can be covered in full body hair. I would be sceptical of labelling things as neotenic based on apparent similarities with juvenile apes. But again, I'd have to look at genuine research. Sorry I can't shed more light on your queries

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Nicolas Gallagher
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Message 11 of 13 (163687)
11-28-2004 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Ben!
11-28-2004 8:14 AM


Hi,
I'm afraid I don't know any websites that deal with morphometrics, but you're definition is essentially good enough. It deals with measurements of shape and in this context with "measurements" of shape change during ontogeny. Thing is that size and shape are very closely linked so it can be problematic in same cases.
I'm impressed that you have spent so long trying to understand all these aspects when it seems you are unfamiliar with the subjects. I have removed the paper from this site, if you have not got a copy of it to read offline and are still interested reading it, then please let me know and I will email you a link
thanks
Nick
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