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Parasomnium
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Message 80 of 205 (434255)
11-15-2007 4:02 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by IamJoseph
11-13-2007 7:44 PM


Re: Languages w/in their Kind
IamNuts writes:
Yes, my understanding of it is there was no english before 800 CE. French is older than english, the latter being a microcosm of several other languages, and became formalised and incepted in England. France tried to impose its language on England, till an english king challenged this by translating all official documents into english, even formulating new english words of the french, such as pattisirie, cafe, and 1000s of other words taken from the french, and from the irish and german.
So let me get this straight: an unnamed English king around 800 decided to translate the then current language of England, which was, surpisingly, French, into a non-existing language. This brilliant move was of course greeted with great approval by his French-speaking subjects, if only because in the initial stages of the project people must have had belly-aching fits of laughter when they heard their king trying out the new language. (Ever seen "Allo, allo"?)
And they must also have revered their king's great foresight in inventing a word like 'cafe', the use of which had to wait another eight hundred and fifty years or so, after which coffee, from which the word derives, was actually introduced into polite society in England and France.
Joseph, what planet are you from?

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Parasomnium
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Message 89 of 205 (434276)
11-15-2007 7:11 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by IamJoseph
11-15-2007 5:56 AM


Re: Languages w/in their Kind
Joseph, you should get your story straight. First you say "there was no english before 800 CE" and then you say "english was already spoken in some form". So which is it?
There were no belly laffs, the people supported the king against the french goal; the term cafe and many other french words were incorporated into the english.
"Laffs"? This from someone who criticizes non-native speakers of English in Europe? Anyway, when was the word "cafe" incorporated in the English language, according to you? Did your English king know this word?
You must look in the mirror if I'm right.
Well, you're not right. So I guess that means I don't have to bother looking in the mirror. But just out of curiosity, why do you say this?

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Parasomnium
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Message 92 of 205 (434293)
11-15-2007 10:05 AM


An Amusing Scene From Joseph's Microcosm Of Alternative Linguistic History.
Scene: the court of an unknown English king, around 800 AD. (Which is sort of the second half of the eleventh century, give or take.)
King: (with a French accent) Listen carefully, everyone, I will say this only once. This document here contains the specs of a language I have just invented. I call it English. From now on, I want you all to speak this language.
All: Quoi?!?
King: You heard me. This meeting is over, you're all dismissed.
Queen: Oh, ma cherie! You are so strong! Let me kiss you!
King: I have a better idea: why don't you make me a latte macchiato, with a croissant, er... French roll on the side?
Edited by Parasomnium, : No reason given.

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