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dwise1
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Message 179 of 343 (507936)
05-09-2009 4:15 AM
Reply to: Message 176 by Doubletime
05-09-2009 3:06 AM


Re: The age of shells and the age of the organisms that made the shells
No but it is not unlikley to tink it was the flodd. Alot of them were frozen instnaly. The mammoth from sybira had grass in his mouth and looked calm.
Have you ever watched somebody freeze to death? OK, neither have I, but it has been observed and recorded, such as on the Russian Front in both World War I and The Second Great Patriotic War (known to us as "World War II"). You know, where the German mechanized push into the Soviet Union was halted when it got too cold for the tanks to run. There are written accounts of German soldiers freezing to death. As hypothermia set in, they reached a point where they're in a calm, blissful state, just before they die. And, no, they did not freeze instantly.
{EDIT: for your edification, please read the Wikipedia article on hypothermia at Hypothermia - Wikipedia. It describes how a person freezes to death, which BTW can happen well above freezing. }

You want to fight against evolution? Then you should at least try to do it right, which is something that the vast majority of creationists refuse to do, so all they do is make Christians look like a pack of hypocritical lying idiots. If your goal is not to make Christians look like a pack of hypocritical lying idiots, then shouldn't you consider doing it right instead of oh-so-very wrong like just about every single creationist insists on doing it?
Or to formalize it with scripture -- OK, with an ancient Chinese scroll, but you have no doubt heard a small portion of it at some time. As I had posted it on my website (which is down due to AOL having suddenly gone out of the web hosting business):
quote:

Ignorance is Not Bliss


Sun Tzu, Scroll III (Offensive Strategy):



  1. Therefore I say: "Know the enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles you will never be in peril.
  2. When you are ignorant of the enemy but know yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal.
  3. If ignorant both of your enemy and of yourself, you are certain in every battle to be in peril."


(Sun Tzu The Art of War, translation by Samuel B.
Griffith, Oxford University Press, 1963)

You want to fight evolution? Learn it! You want to fight science? Learn it! Or at least those fields of science that you want to fight, such as geology and dating methods. That is called "knowing your enemy". If you refuse to learn anything about that which you are fighting, then you are an idiot. Though you will still have half a chance, provided you know yourself, which you clearly do not.
You are just regurgitating creationist crap that you've been fed. Don't! Understand what those claims are saying and where they came from. Also understand why they're wrong. Until you have made that study, you do not understand yourself.
You understand neither your enemy nor yourself; in every battle you will be in peril. Or to quote a veteran on your side of this war:
quote:
About a year and a half ago, I was a firm special creationist. I am now a believer in evolution; not even sure if God is required. In 1995, Glenn Morton wrote to Stephen Jones about Stephen's provisional acceptance of common descent (as quoted by SJ Sunday, January 11, 1998 5:16 PM), "I know exactly how difficult a paradigm shift like that is." Well, let me tell you, the shift is absolutely devastating. I'm still struggling with all this. I still hold some anger because I believe the evangelical Christian community did not properly prepare me for the creation/evolution debate. They gave me a gun loaded with blanks, and sent me out. I was creamed.
Scott Rauch
All that the creationists have to offer you are blanks. Hello? How far do you think you're going to get in this battle just firing blanks? If the opponents you encounter don't know anything, you might be able to bluff your way through for a while, but far too many of us do indeed know what's what. In a year and a half, Scott Rauch went from where you are to where you see him at the time of that post. Where will you be in a year and a half, shooting blanks? Think maybe you might want to rethink your strategy?
Also, this might come across as a pet peeve, but could you please do something about your spelling? Not being an educator, I cannot tell you how I had learned to read, but I read words. I do not sound everything out inside my head, but rather I see a word and recognize it. So when somebody uses the wrong word (eg, "your" instead of "you're" or "there" instead of "they're" or "their"), it is very confusing. If you want people to understand what you're trying to communicate to them, it's not a good idea to confuse them.
Edited by dwise1, : added reference to Wikipedia article

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